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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:18 am 
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I'll say no more. Decision of if it's published does not rest with me, but I've expressed my desire to see it make the next edition of the magazine (was not written by me either).

Which, for the sake of disclosure, is RIDE Mag.

I'm just a freelancer for them though. So my opinion, in the grand scheme of things, not a massive vote :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:21 am 
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Evans has some questionable ties to a dirty doctor so I won't include him on the list for myself.

Full explanation of his 'relationship' with Ferrari hopefully going to be published in the coming months.

When he first came over to the road he was under Ferrari, but it lasted a very short time so far as I'm aware. He then moved over to Aldo Sassi who was stridently anti-drugs. There's not been that many I would have a wager on being clean, but I would with Evans.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:39 am 
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Your understanding of his 'relationship' with Ferrari is a little off.

Which is why I'm hoping it gets published.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:29 pm 
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Still curious why people list Gilbert despite the fact that he had his stunning 2011 season backed by doctor Jose Ibarguren Taus and with the strange Wim Vansevenant TB500 case in mind.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:48 pm 
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Big difference between legal, clean and ethical.

In my heart I'd love to believed the peloton is riding clean, but my head tells me otherwise.

It would totally suck if someone like Gilbert or Sagan were doping.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:09 pm 
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Even if they do(and I truly believe they don't), it's better for cycling in general to shut all dirty little mouths quiet.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Tinea Pedis wrote:
Full explanation of his 'relationship' with Ferrari hopefully going to be published in the coming months.

Will let the internationals know if/when it happens.

Needless to say, it should put to bed this discussion.



I have no idea what Evans did with Dr. Ferrari. All I am stating is that I personally would not put him on a "clean" list. If you associated all of those who have worked with Dr. Ferrari, it raises questions. Ferrari's reputation as a "dirty" doctor existed before Evans had ties with him. That raises questions to me.


Tinea Pedis wrote:
Your understanding of his 'relationship' with Ferrari is a little off.

Which is why I'm hoping it gets published.



Do you mind sharing what you know?


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I think the following are clean: 53x12, artray, KWalker, elviento, prendrefeu everyone else is on something.


:mrgreen: I'm too slow to benefit from doping. I would need to skip the EPO and go straight for the jet engine.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:25 pm 
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53x12, it's nothing personal. Relax mate.

Not many people, outside of Cadel and a few others, actually know the full story.

Alas the information is not mine to divulge (just yet).

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Relax TP? Where did I even get excited? I just asked a simple question and you act like I took a piss on your lawn.


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Kasparz wrote:
Even if they do(and I truly believe they don't), it's better for cycling in general to shut all dirty little mouths quiet.


Not sure I understand? Are you suggesting that cooperating with law enforcement, or admitting illegal conduct, should not occur? I don't know if that's what you mean, so appologies if I misunderstood.

I will say that the recent history of the sport pretty clearly substantiates that omerta is a problem, not a solution. And you're not going to break open many cartels or conspiracies without cutting a deal with a cooperating dirty insider or two.

I hope Sagan is clean, too. I am amazed by that guy.

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I take a corticosteroid inhaler without a TUE. Its not on the banned list, yet, but I try and stay ahead of the game.

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Kasparz wrote:
Even if they do(and I truly believe they don't), it's better for cycling in general to shut all dirty little mouths quiet.


Not sure I understand? Are you suggesting that cooperating with law enforcement, or admitting illegal conduct, should not occur? I don't know if that's what you mean, so appologies if I misunderstood.

Well, lots of my friends, colleagues are talking about doping in cycling even if they are not connected with any kind of sports. USADA case is big deal in local news. Word 'Cycling' automatically associates with 'Doping'. Cycling received damage hard enough with all the dirty doping talk, lets give it a rest. Armstrongs doping cases received more media time than actual cycling races. If big dogs in peloton riting now will be found as a drug cheats, cycling will be more or less dead. Imagine being a sponsor or a parent who's kid wants to get involved in something as dirty as cycling.

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stella-azzurra wrote:
I think the following are clean: 53x12, artray, KWalker, elviento, prendrefeu everyone else is on something.


Try an google 53x12.com :P

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