Heel kick when pedalling

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hlvd
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by hlvd

Does anyone know why my right heel would flick out on the top of the pedal stroke whereas my left foot doesn't.

I've had a bike fit a few years and everything seems ok but this problem seems to come and go, it doesn't always happen or isn't as magnified.

Clear position or saddle too high maybe?


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TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

Get on a trainer and watch your knee track at various loads and rpm.

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hlvd
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by hlvd

TobinHatesYou wrote:Get on a trainer and watch your knee track at various loads and rpm.
I do have a high arch and use Bontrager blue footbeds.

You reckon it's my knee moving inwards and causing the heel flick?


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TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

hlvd wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:19 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:Get on a trainer and watch your knee track at various loads and rpm.
I do have a high arch and use Bontrager blue footbeds.

You reckon it's my knee moving inwards and causing the heel flick?

Yes, most problems originate at the knee or even the hip.

hlvd
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by hlvd

TobinHatesYou wrote:
hlvd wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:19 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:Get on a trainer and watch your knee track at various loads and rpm.
I do have a high arch and use Bontrager blue footbeds.

You reckon it's my knee moving inwards and causing the heel flick?

Yes, most problems originate at the knee or even the hip.
It's strange that you mention the hip as it was a unusually painful tonight and the kick was far more pronounced.
I'll have to try and get a more in-depth bike fit.


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zefs
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by zefs

Sounds like cleat setup issue, or lack of cleat float. Could also be the hip but if you don't feel it there it's probably the cleat position, maybe the screws got loose and the cleat moved? Although you mention it comes and goes which is weird.
Reducing the pedal tention will also allow more float (on Shimano atleast).

hlvd
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by hlvd

zefs wrote:Sounds like cleat setup issue, or lack of cleat float. Could also be the hip but if you don't feel it there it's probably the cleat position, maybe the screws got loose and the cleat moved? Although you mention it comes and goes which is weird.
Reducing the pedal tention will also allow more float (on Shimano atleast).
Hi, I'm running Look Grey cleats, so has float.

I did use black 0 degree for a season to keep my heel in check and had no problems but I've changed back to grey now for fear of doing long term damage to my knee.

My cleats should be correct as well as I've an Ergon cleat jig for keeping things the same.

I'm thinking it might my right side's physiology which isn't functioning as it should somehow.


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by Karvalo

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:22 pm
Yes, most problems originate at the knee or even the hip.
Saddle height and setback issues, and general hip/hamstring flexibility can definitely cause knee tracking problems. But at the same time lots of knee tracking issues are knock on effects from poor foot positioning or lack of support.

You can't diagnose what the problem is without seeing it.

hlvd
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by hlvd

Just an update on this subject.

I've discovered the reason for my heel kick, it's because my right foot over pronates.

I first tried a Specialized 1.5mm varus shim under my right foot bed and tried it on a ride, improvement but not perfect.
I doubled up the shims last night taking it up to 3mm and it was much better.

Looking down my foot was staying still whilst pedalling, more comfort and no knee pain.

I wasn't sure about the knee pain being related but it seems it did.


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TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

Get custom footbeds and you probably won't need to use as many wedges under your shoe.

hlvd
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by hlvd

TobinHatesYou wrote:Get custom footbeds and you probably won't need to use as many wedges under your shoe.
That's something to think about, I'll have to look into that, thanks.


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zefs
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by zefs

I prefer the ones that go under the cleat since they elevate a larger area and not only the front part so might want to try those too.
You can go by feel until you notice the power applied by the foot is equal on both sides (inner/outer).

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hlvd
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by hlvd

zefs wrote:I prefer the ones that go under the cleat since they elevate a larger area and not only the front part so might want to try those too.
You can go by feel until you notice the power applied by the foot is equal on both sides (inner/outer).
I'm not sure if that would work the same but I'll look into it, thanks.

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