In an attempt to put the doping debate where it belongs feel free to post about all doping related matters and all circular arguments about the subject.

Bradley Wiggins is a prat. Discuss.

This thread is dope!

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...starting to move threads over from "PRO" discussion over to the "DOPE" discussion, where they are more appropriate:




Do you have any examples for that statement? (italicized and in bold)

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This thread should be locked. No need for the redundancy. What more appropriate place to discuss doping than the pro cycling thread?

The pro thread was meant to discuss the following when the original thread was shut down:
-Pro racing/results/predictions
-Pro gear

Keep the rampant speculation here.

How about putting your own "I hate Taylor Phinney" posts in their own thread?

If you're going to start moderating how about beginning with your own posts?

If you think about it the 12+ pages of doping that you complained about is probably the single longest stretch of focused discussion the Pro Cycling thread has ever had.

Thread title was misleading, thought KWalker was promoting doping here.

No, that belongs there because its a discussion of pro racing, pro results, etc.

Not true whatsoever. Doping was discussed there before, but the page often had very long discussions and just went to shit earlier this season. Its probably because a lot of the contributors stopped posting and because we're at a point in the season where not much new is happening, but the discussion is not focused.

This is the average argument:
"So and so is doping. They're riding too fast. Lance doped so you can't test anyone"
"They aren't riding that fast, compare to old times."
"Yah, but I think they're doping because many pro cyclists doped in the past decade."
"I don't think Wiggins is doping, but XXXX surely is".

Its moronic and contributes nothing. If you want discuss doping, why people might be, or evidence thereof then do it here. No one has any definitive proof of ANYTHING and have filled 12 pages with tautological b/s. There's a reason the Lance doping thread was created and is now at 20+ pages, feel free to turn this into that.

There should just be a link to CyclingNews' Clinic forum

PEDs are by far the most important Pro gear.

What do you think matters more, good PEDs/doping regime which you get away with, or some frame or component which is a little lighter/more aero/stiffer/more comfortable/works better, or whatever? Duhhh.

Come on KWalker lighten up.
Like it or not doping, doping accusations, and doping suspicion have been and will be part of pro cycling for a long time. If some of the posts seem silly or illegible so what? It not as if that thread isn't already full of the same. How about we leave the moderating to TP, PP, and, FB?.

I started the "PRO" thread to keep the tactics/fan chatter/etc. out of the equipment thread. Doping fits into the "non-tech" category and should be discussed in the original thread. However, I would love for a good pro equipment thread (only pics and short, relevant discussion) to get started.

Below is a quote from the first post of the "PRO" thread:

I'm all for doping (that's what the 'pro' in the title means - right?)