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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:23 pm 
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The stupid thing about this whole saga is that even if he is given a fair and completely transparent trial, if he is found completely innocent, people are still going to accuse him for years to come. That alone for me means that this whole process is pointless and should not be pursued. Cycling as a sport would be better off just moving on and ignoring him.

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That summarizes it.

All the speculation and blather....he said ....she saw....blah, blah, blah....
IT'S ALL OVER. (or at least it should be)
Lance took all the tests. Nothing came up positive. No evidence ==> witch hunt.
At this point, some people will never be convinced that he is either guilty or innocent. Further "investigations" are a waste of time and money and are serving ONLY the personal and political agendas of some of the investigators involved.

But there is never any shortage of inbred hillbillies with torches and pitchforks. :P


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:10 pm 
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So much for speculation and blather-

George Hincapie was indeed interviewed by the Feds, just in case anyone was wondering-

"One of the cyclists who agreed to be interviewed by federal investigators after receiving a subpoena was George Hincapie, Mr. Armstrong's longtime lieutenant who raced alongside him in all of his Tour de France victories."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 70544.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:42 pm 
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So much for speculation and blather-

George Hincapie was indeed interviewed by the Feds, just in case anyone was wondering-

"One of the cyclists who agreed to be interviewed by federal investigators after receiving a subpoena was George Hincapie, Mr. Armstrong's longtime lieutenant who raced alongside him in all of his Tour de France victories."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 70544.html"



So when Hincapie testified back in May 2011, and he admitted LA and he used EPO, testosterone, blood doped....etc. all that "good shit" why was he not suspended from racing for admitted doping? Now he has gone on to race 2011 and 2012. Who knows what he said. But I find it hard to believe that they would allow him to continue racing as an admitted doper. Or I guess it shows how unfair the system is in regards to allowing you to rat out another rider and get off scot free.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:52 pm 
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toss out all of them. The riders the managers the promoters the governing bodies the labs the sponsors and the fans. All are complicit IMO. Then I can watch http://www.jeopardy.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
in peace :wink:

for me it has come down to this, I don't believe anyone on this subject. All have vested interests.


hahah so true :thumbup:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:16 pm 
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J-Nice wrote:
So much for speculation and blather-

George Hincapie was indeed interviewed by the Feds, just in case anyone was wondering-

"One of the cyclists who agreed to be interviewed by federal investigators after receiving a subpoena was George Hincapie, Mr. Armstrong's longtime lieutenant who raced alongside him in all of his Tour de France victories."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 70544.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"



So when Hincapie testified back in May 2011, and he admitted LA and he used EPO, testosterone, blood doped....etc. all that "good shit" why was he not suspended from racing for admitted doping? Now he has gone on to race 2011 and 2012. Who knows what he said. But I find it hard to believe that they would allow him to continue racing as an admitted doper. Or I guess it shows how unfair the system is in regards to allowing you to rat out another rider and get off scot free.


Could have said he did it then, which wouldn't influence his participation now. Or it could be the reason he announced his retirement 2 days before this hit.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:35 pm 
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Could have said he did it then, which wouldn't influence his participation now. Or it could be the reason he announced his retirement 2 days before this hit.



So they won't go after Hincapie who "might have doped in the past but not now" and is still racing, and instead go after LA who "might have doped +10 years ago" but who is retired from cycling? WTF? Hincapie is retiring after this year, but he is still racing.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:36 pm 
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I feel sorry for the mods but this thread is at least somewhat entertaining to read whilst I eat my lunch :lol:

Mr.Gib wrote:
In fact recreational drugs and booze have probably destroyed more good music than it has helped create.

Do you actually know anything about interesting music? :|


I don't need to make a list, a few examples will suffice. Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse all died at age 27.

Always know your customer before you lob an insult (no offence taken by the way). Here endeth the lesson.

Back to topic.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:39 pm 
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53x12 wrote:
J-Nice wrote:
So much for speculation and blather-

George Hincapie was indeed interviewed by the Feds, just in case anyone was wondering-

"One of the cyclists who agreed to be interviewed by federal investigators after receiving a subpoena was George Hincapie, Mr. Armstrong's longtime lieutenant who raced alongside him in all of his Tour de France victories."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 70544.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"



So when Hincapie testified back in May 2011, and he admitted LA and he used EPO, testosterone, blood doped....etc. all that "good shit" why was he not suspended from racing for admitted doping? Now he has gone on to race 2011 and 2012. Who knows what he said. But I find it hard to believe that they would allow him to continue racing as an admitted doper. Or I guess it shows how unfair the system is in regards to allowing you to rat out another rider and get off scot free.


He testified to the Feds, not USADA.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:43 pm 
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He testified to the Feds, not USADA.


Exactly, which is even worse. EPO, steroids..etc. are controlled substances under Controlled Substances Act which makes possession or use of them without a medical reason a federal crime.

In addition, supposedly all of the Feds evidence was sent to USADA. Not sure how true that is.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:49 pm 
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Ok Mr. Gib, I resign and agree with you. :mrgreen:


Now we're getting somewhere! :P

53x12 I admire your principled stance regarding innocent until proven guilty, etc. But we're just a bunch of dudes on the internet with no obligation of due process. We all know what the deal is. I for one am highly entertained watching Lance try to manage this situation. It will be wild to see even a small handful of cyclists get up there and admit to doping and doping with Lance, while Lance continues to insist it never happened.

I admit that I haven't read everyone's posts carefully but is there anyone on here who believes that Lance didn't dope? (And I am not asking if you have concrete evidence one way or the other, just if you believe he's is/was clean.)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:44 pm 
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53x12 I admire your principled stance regarding innocent until proven guilty, etc. But we're just a bunch of dudes on the internet with no obligation of due process.

Well, I have posted this before, but I think it should be remembered that "innocent until proven guilty" is not just an arcane technical legal concept. It BECAME a legal concept because of the pre-existing and underlying moral/ethical concept.
That silly stuff about "not bearing false witness", and "character assasination". etc.

Everyone is entitled to their thoughts. But if you start making accusations without evidence, it *is* unethical.


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But there is never any shortage of inbred hillbillies with torches and pitchforks. :P


... on both sides of any argument, Rick. :wink:

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Rick wrote:
But there is never any shortage of inbred hillbillies with torches and pitchforks. :P


... on both sides of any argument, Rick. :wink:

But it is a lot harder to imagine an enraged mob of hillbillies with torches and pitchforks frantically yelling "I think we should only consider credible evidence!"
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for those of you who haven't see this yet...and are wondering how Hitler was reacting to all of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia6dV_G5UxE


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for those of you who haven't see this yet...and are wondering how Hitler was reacting to all of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia6dV_G5UxE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pretty funny

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