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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:22 am 
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N -- I think you're spot on. A teammate of mine emailed the promoter last year making essentially the same argument and urged him at least to include the wall each lap in the 3/4 fields in the hope of making the race a bit more selective, obviously to no avail. My teammates who raced this year described that finish stretch behind you as resembling a WWI battlefield with bodies littered in clumps every few hundred feet moaning in pain. A former twenty-20 rider, now on my team, saw it all about to go to hell and just proactively peeled off into the grass and cruised in after it was all over. Kinda glad I wasnt able to race it this year (well, except for the free ice cream, bouncy houses, and giant cow picture opp., all of which are awesome).

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From the Tour of Friendship in Thailand. 2nd from a 100km break two days after finishing up on a drip - man it's hot over there.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:45 pm 
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Another pile up? On a straight road, when you have the whole road to use?

What part is the organisers fault?


Starting down the list:
1. The race has almost no hills and is very short for a cat 3 race at 43 miles. More fresh riders at the end including lots of 4s that have no clue how to behave in a pack. Also lots of aggro, overweight masters racers who treat the sprint as if its their chance to redeem all of their regrets. Despite being fairly flat its not a very fast race and in years past there was some nasty wind.
2. The race has a few sections that are all road, then a few that are single lane. Constant bottle necks.
3. The race finishes on a long false downhill at close to 40mph in an open field usually with crosswinds.

And the big problem:

4. This race became very well-known for including a climb called "The Gamber Wall". It was probably about 45s-1min long and around 20%. When I first did the race 3 years ago you did the wall every lap and the race was I think 1 or 2 laps longer. Last year we did it twice, they reduced the length of the race, and there was a monster finish line crash. So what do they do? They take out another lap of the wall. It then goes from being very selective to being the least selective race in the area. They did the same thing in the Pro 1/2 race and guess what happened? A crash so bad that they pulled 60 riders.

Perhaps its really hard to describe without being there, but I was in Nathan's race last year and somehow rode through the crash. With 2km to go we were going 17mph and suddenly in the last 500 were going over 40 and everyone was scrambling to get in position.

Edit: None of this is to diminish Nate's win. He clearly rode very smart to avoid all the known problems and sealed it off with a great sprint.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:55 pm 
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N -- I think you're spot on. A teammate of mine emailed the promoter last year making essentially the same argument and urged him at least to include the wall each lap in the 3/4 fields in the hope of making the race a bit more selective, obviously to no avail.


yea i realized that the organizer can't do it logistically after questioning why the wall isn't included ever lap.

there is essentially only one entry and exit for the 5-6 people living on that street. So with rolling closures and no yellow rules line, in order to do gamber wall, those people living their would have to be ok with no being able to leave their house (or come back to their house) for the entire day essentially. I wondered too, why the number of times seems to vary every year , and the above explanation makes sense.

i really dont know how to change that race or course other than removing the 1k sign honestly. Most other races in my area dont have the 1k sign. They start signing maybe* at 250m to go. i swear when racers at turkey hill see 1k to go, sprinting starts... again that's my assumption though.

edit: to add to what karsten just posted
- only 1 road is yellow lane ruled. There wasn't a bottle neck here to be honest. Seemed mellow/non factor to the racing or the 'danger' on the day. my observation this year and last.
- yea i see people put on their 'brakes' after the rollers, trying to recover. So there is a definate slow down until the final 1.5km when things decide to ramp up downhill.

all domino effects really. I personally think inexperienced racers (and probably me when i started racing to be fair) have a lack of respect for themselves and others in races. Racers are willing to do anything to win and put them and their bikes in places they shouldn't be. At that point they are probably ok with endangering themselves, but do not realize the impact that it might have on every single wheel behind them.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:51 pm 
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@JamieL; was it your first time at Tour of Friendship? How would you describe it beside the weather? :mrgreen:

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Yep - first time.

Thought it was an amazing place, first visit to SE Asia not including work as well so a bit of an experience.

The organisation was perfect, hotels and food were good and the racing was a pretty high level. A few ex-pros dotted around the place and some good teams out of Singapore. Was pretty happy with my TT win :-)

Recommend giving it a go. At the time i was a bit pissed off given how i'd raced but looking back on it as a holiday with some racing thrown in, it was great. I'll be back.

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"Local" cross race today. Yes, danes do crazy things.

Sorry... forgot that this site doesn't resize pictures.

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not racing for a while, so more media from the past. back to the future

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Hey Nathan- Tim Weigelt here.

Nice photos from Turkey Hill; see you at Wilmington tomorrow?


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Had a road race on the weekend, after a bit of an up and down few weeks with training I was stoked with the result coming 4th. :beerchug:

Late in the race (red /white jersey):
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Flying mid sprint:
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The gap between 2nd and 4th was 0.143 sec (1st was 2mins up the road).


I will post up a race report on my blog a bit later today for those interested :)

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In third position on the first of many gravel sections (in front of the rider in yellow fluo). Race didn't end well, but it was still the most spectacular event this season.

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After the not so well ending hna shot this with his mobile phone:

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I shot this with my wife's half proper Nikon:

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