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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 7:35 pm 
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I posted a recent forum regarding deep section wheels, but now I'm after a wheel specifically for the Alps, Dolomites, Pyrenees...anything mountainous on earth!!! After some considerable thought and the past days I have experienced snow at the top of the Gavia in July! Pis...ing rain down the Tourmalet to the point where I was almost closing my eyes and praying what was 50 feet in front of me or the hottest day you could imagine up Ventoux where it felt like a sauna. Now carbon wheels have improved drastically but with above conditions I have experienced, Alloy wheels make sense for safety and all weather mountain rides.

I'm looking at either Campy Shamal Mille or Fulcrum Racing Zero nites. People have complained about the wear of the special Ceramic Plasma Electrolytic oxidation rims both Nites and Shamals coating coming off, but according to my LBS this is because you need to clean the rim and brake pads throughly after each medium/long ride!

Is the only difference between these 2 sets of wheels the 2:1 spoke ratio on the Fulcrum? And does this mean the Fulcrum rear wheel is stiffer when running Campy groupsets like me. I mean logically when you running a Campagnolo groupset you go with Campy wheels cause it just looks right and leave Fulcrum for Sram/Shimano users. It seems I can get the Zero nites for some less money though. I gather everything else is the same, ceramic bearings, carbon hubs, same surface, similar weight and rim width.

Any experience or knowledge between these sets of wheels would be nice feedback.

On a note I've heard both sets have incredible brake power in the dry and wet and are stiff for alloys. :)


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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 7:49 pm 
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No chance in convincing you that tubulars are safer if you ever front flat at such high speeds? It kind of sucks flatting on a fast descent at 40+ mph.....been there before but on tubs and I'm still here to talk about it.

They are both 2:1 lacing.


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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 7:57 pm 
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First and foremost, I do not own either, but I have been researching them extensively (as well as cross shopping with the Shamal Ultra, Fulcrum Zero, and Dura Ace C24) as I am looking for a new wheelset.

From my understanding, the Mille and Zero Nite are identical save the spokes, exactly as you have suggested. The same is also true with the Ultra and the Zero (non carbon).

I know there is an aesthetic benefit to the all black setups, but I have read extremely mixed reviews of the longevity of that surface coating and have not seen anything that suggests the braking is better than the standard aluminum. To me, the idea of paying 25% more, then buying special brake pads, to have something that may or may not last, and likely does not perform any better is a dealbreaker.

At this point, my choice is between the Shamal Ultra, Fulcrum Zero, and Dura Ace C24 all at very similar pricepoints. I am holding still just to see as the new 17mm ID wider Shamal/Fulcrums are expected soon and I may either buy them or hope to buy the older 15mm versions at a further discount to their current pricing.

Hope this helps,
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 8:50 pm 
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mimason wrote:
No chance in convincing you that tubulars are safer if you ever front flat at such high speeds? It kind of sucks flatting on a fast descent at 40+ mph.....been there before but on tubs and I'm still here to talk about it.

They are both 2:1 lacing.

The chances of a blowout are rear even with clinchers (though I know someone who had a clincher blowout was able to keep it together. I also know someone who's tubular tyre came off a wheel once down a decent), it's a hot day you brake properly have low psi your 99% OK in my experience. These new rims are extremely good at heat resistances. You have the option to run tubeless if you wish on these wheel sets also. I've ridden thousands of miles in mountains in clinchers no blowouts to speak of, brake properly, psi is sensible i.e - low psi in heat. There's always a risk descending a mountain in any shape of form on a bike. I must agree though a tubular is safer overall but not a reason to chuck your clinchers away.

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:46 pm 
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lowside67 wrote:
First and foremost, I do not own either, but I have been researching them extensively (as well as cross shopping with the Shamal Ultra, Fulcrum Zero, and Dura Ace C24) as I am looking for a new wheelset.

From my understanding, the Mille and Zero Nite are identical save the spokes, exactly as you have suggested. The same is also true with the Ultra and the Zero (non carbon).

I know there is an aesthetic benefit to the all black setups, but I have read extremely mixed reviews of the longevity of that surface coating and have not seen anything that suggests the braking is better than the standard aluminum. To me, the idea of paying 25% more, then buying special brake pads, to have something that may or may not last, and likely does not perform any better is a dealbreaker.

At this point, my choice is between the Shamal Ultra, Fulcrum Zero, and Dura Ace C24 all at very similar pricepoints. I am holding still just to see as the new 17mm ID wider Shamal/Fulcrums are expected soon and I may either buy them or hope to buy the older 15mm versions at a further discount to their current pricing.

Hope this helps,
Mark

Thanks Mark, from what I've read the braking performance Nite/Mille are far superior than the plain alloy. Yes the extra cost is a factor but I don't mind paying extra if the brakes are top notch. Regarding spokes, I think the Campy spoke design look cooler than Fulcrum if there is virtually no difference to each. In the UK I can get Fulcrum Racing Zero Nites for £640 whatever that equates to in € or $

Surface, I've heard some bad press regarding coat wearing. I suppose if you clean after every ride all you can do is wait and see what happens. The Mavic SLR had a bad rep for this, suppose you can't hide from this, I had 1st gen Kyrsuim SLR in 2011 when they first came out within 6 months the rim was mostly silver!

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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 9:42 pm 
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I've had shamal mille for about 7 or 8 thousand miles now. black brake track looks perfect. No noticeable braking difference compared to regular campag rim. However, the blue brake pads wear 10x as quickly as the standard campag pads.


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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 10:27 am 
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fignonsbarber wrote:
I've had shamal mille for about 7 or 8 thousand miles now. black brake track looks perfect. No noticeable braking difference compared to regular campag rim. However, the blue brake pads wear 10x as quickly as the standard campag pads.


Good to know, thanks

(my 2011's kysrium SLR wheels with the special rim coating have the green Mavic swisstop pads, these pads wear a lot quicker than regular campag pads, but not 10x faster!)


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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 1:48 pm 
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canoas wrote:
fignonsbarber wrote:
I've had shamal mille for about 7 or 8 thousand miles now. black brake track looks perfect. No noticeable braking difference compared to regular campag rim. However, the blue brake pads wear 10x as quickly as the standard campag pads.


Good to know, thanks

(my 2011's kysrium SLR wheels with the special rim coating have the green Mavic swisstop pads, these pads wear a lot quicker than regular campag pads, but not 10x faster!)



You bring up a good point. It may be the black coating that wears the pads. Either way, the blue pads are a bit of a pain if you change wheels frequently. You can't use them with carbon rims, or other alloy rims. From my point of view, the Mille are the best looking wheels out there. But if that look isn't important to you, stick with the standard shamal silver rim.


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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 2:26 pm 
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Are the Campagnolo blue pads softer than the black pads but not as soft as the red pads? I remember when the Shamal Mille were first released, they were supplied with the red pads. Campagnolo then quickly released a safety bulletin stating to use the blue pads because the red pads can cause the wheels to lock up in certain braking situations.


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