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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:15 pm 
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Push start bracing angles of spoke is not 90 degrees. You are refering to the a 28 spoke wheel have spoke tangental to the hub on exit while this "optiminum" as it improves tortional stiffness and I think it reduces the extra load on the spokes caused by drive/braking but not enough to make any kind of real world difference. Bracing angle refers to the angle the spokes makes to the vertical as it enters the rim which is a completley different thing. 2x lacing always gives better bracing angles tha 3x lacing. 3x lacing give higher tortional stiffness than 2x. Given the differences are so small between the two lacing patterns you end up using what ever suits best.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:17 pm 
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I am sorry, you are right. I meant the tangential angle from hub, not bracing angle. Not sure how I confused that :-)

2x being better bracing angle due to shorter spokes makes sense (though minute difference, right?)


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:17 pm 
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bm0p700f wrote:
Does the Enve 1.45 rim work well with triplet lacing. My royce custom hubs with a 2:1 drilling are due next month and now it is rim decison time. I have never had ENVE rims to know if the they drill the rims with angled nipple beds.



Nipple in ENVE rims are self adjusting - i think :roll:
thin wall and rounded "bed" for nipple

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:19 pm 
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Thank kavitar so if I can afford them Enve it is them. I will find some way of affording them some how.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:47 pm 
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Some GOLD 24K stuff - just a little 8)

For larger pictures CLICK on them

http://kavitec.blogspot.com/2014/02/kav ... -plus.html

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:29 pm 
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G'day all,

I'm planning on building a new wheelset using some 50mm carbon rims I have in the garage.
Chosen the CN Aero424 spokes (which I also used on my previous wheel-build).
Now I am stuck on choice for hubs.
The two choices I am currently looking at are:
Circus Monkey HRW2 White = 268 grams = $149 AUD ( http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/370546545101 ... 1438.l2649 )
Novatec F482SB-SL/A291SB-SL Black = 290 grams = $168 AUD ( http://www.bdopcycling.com/Hubs-F482SB-SL.asp ) + ( http://www.bdopcycling.com/Hubs-A291SB-SL.asp )

Aesthetically I prefer the Circus Monkey hubs as they are white and really want to build with white hubs for a white/black theme.

Thanks :)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:05 pm 
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Just sharing my wheels that I just finished building yesterday. First wheels I have built so I'm fairly happy with them. Weigh in at around 1550 grams (not including tyres, etc of course) and cost under $400 (not sure of exact price).

H Plus Son Archetype Rims
UniQ Hubset
CN Aero 424 Spokes
Pillar Spoke Nipples
FSA Rim Tape
Continental 4 Seasons Tyres
Continental Race 28 Inner Tubes

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:17 pm 
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Pictures don't seem to be showing? I have linked them from Dropbox.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:49 pm 
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Put them on an image hosting website. I don't think that dropbox allows linking like that.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:21 pm 
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Hotlinking images from Dropbox is working only if they are in a "My Dropbox > Public" directory.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:16 pm 
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wassertreter wrote:
Those Shimano front hubs, can the be rebuilt with regular straight pull spokes, or would only the OEM spare spokes do the job?

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(Via http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/pho ... -sl/168589 )


I have a set of 7850s next to me with a hub that looks just like that one with one of the spokes replaced by a straight-pull CX RAY.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:07 pm 
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It looks like Flo is releasing their Flo 30 as a rim only option. Paired with some BHS hubs, one could build a wheel that is pretty light, aero, and good braking for the price.

I'm happy, I like options! :beerchug:

http://flocycling.blogspot.com/2014/03/ ... -here.html

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Rim Drilling Options: 20, 24, 28, 32 (32 will not be available during Order 11)
Rim Weight: 570g +/- 20g
Rim ERD: 586
Rim Type: Aluminum Clincher
Rim Depth: 30mm
Max Rim Width: 26.92mm
Brake Track Width: Angled, starts at 24.0mm and ends at 25.82mm
Rim Fit Issues: There are no known fit issues with the FLO 30's
Rim Price: $80/rim


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:13 pm 
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Already brought it up in the Crono F20 thread, but maybe this is a better place.

How light can an event-only¹ aluminium tubular wheelset be built up? Been reading up on vintage tubular rims a bit. So here's my idea, with rough weights:

2x Mavic GL330 32h: 2 * 350 = 700g
BHS SLF85W, SL210: 85 + 210 = ~200g
48 x Superspoke, 16x D-Light DS rear: 48 * 3.6 + 16 * 4.8 = ~250g
Total: 1150g -- realistically in the high 11xx, with 10-20g for 64 alu nipples?

So I'm wondering, what spoke tension do those vintage Mavics take?

¹ Mostly vintage bike ice cream run with kids, maybe some hillclimb of the "sit and spin" kind

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:21 pm 
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wassertreter wrote:
Already brought it up in the Crono F20 thread, but maybe this is a better place.

How light can an event-only¹ aluminium tubular wheelset be built up? Been reading up on vintage tubular rims a bit. So here's my idea, with rough weights:

2x Mavic GL330 32h: 2 * 350 = 700g
BHS SLF85W, SL210: 85 + 210 = ~200g
48 x Superspoke, 16x D-Light DS rear: 48 * 3.6 + 16 * 4.8 = ~250g
Total: 1150g -- realistically in the high 11xx, with 10-20g for 64 alu nipples?

So I'm wondering, what spoke tension do those vintage Mavics take?

¹ Mostly vintage bike ice cream run with kids, maybe some hillclimb of the "sit and spin" kind



85+210=~300 (not 200)

you would be ~1250 there if the other weights are accurate.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:10 pm 
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Uhm feeling a bit embarrassed now.

36h GL280s on Tune Mig70/Mag170 with Superspoke all around, to get down to 11xx territory, maybe?
(Just saying, wouldn't really want to fork out that sort of cash for such a wheelset)

So anyone know what tension a GL330 can handle?

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