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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:49 am 
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CXrays are no more trouble to true than Lasers (same cross section area). Both need to be held to prevent wind up. But with the bladed spokes you can see that they're winding up (and if you use the overshoot technique, the bladed spoke makes it easy to get the spoke exactly straight). With round spokes you can't see it. You'll just hear it when you ride the first time.

I don't think that bladed spokes on their own make much of a difference in side winds. Not like deep section rims can.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:44 am 
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i guess it doesn't really make much difference in the end, but it comes down to preference - i'd rather be building with bladed spokes over lasers. more handling of tools, but you never have to wonder about wind up.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:29 pm 
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eric wrote:
CXrays are no more trouble to true than Lasers (same cross section area). Both need to be held to prevent wind up. But with the bladed spokes you can see that they're winding up (and if you use the overshoot technique, the bladed spoke makes it easy to get the spoke exactly straight). With round spokes you can't see it. You'll just hear it when you ride the first time.


When I used DT Revos, I put a small dot near the thread with paint marker so I can observed the winding easily. Even if I thoroughly lubricated the threads and nipples, after the tension was raised to more than 110~120kgf, the thin spokes would twist up to 1/2 turn before the nipple started to turn on thread. That's my only experience with 2.0-1.5 spokes, and I prefer bladed spokes nowadays. But if I want a subtle look, I would choose round spokes to match box rims. :beerchug:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:35 am 
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I have found revs wind up more than Lasers. I have done many builds with Laser/brass nipples and have had very little wind up some time almost none. With alloy nipples I tend to get none. CX-ray's are just to expensive to bother with most of the time and aero advantage they give is very small.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:39 am 
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Hi all,

Looking at doing a new wheel buid for myself for my new bike ( ridley fenix). I have built a few Kinlin Xr270 with novatechs , Front 24 2x and rear 28 2x with DT comps. I've been happy with that setup. I weigh 82kg and do general riding and crits in the summer. I was looking at Xc279, just wondering if I can get away with 24 2x rear or keep 28 2x. Any thoughts ?

Thanks in advance.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:52 am 
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@rich00- The XC279 is a decent rim, all though it is pretty darn heavy. I think the SL23 from Pacenti is a better hoop. It's wider, lighter, and comparably rigid.
With regards to lacing 2x is best at 24h. Usually I go 3x on 28h.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:24 am 
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@Zen Cyclery . Thanks for the advice on the SL33. Any reas0n why 3x is better than 2x when doing 28 spokes ?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:44 am 
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Better bracing angle for transmitting torque. Does it makes a difference in actual riding feel or in wheel longevity? My experiments have been inconclusive in that regard. But it doesn't hurt anything other than adding a gram or two due to slightly longer spokes.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:59 am 
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The real world difference between 2x and 3x on the same wheel won't be noticeable on the road. I just go with 3x on 28 out of habit, all though both are perfectly suitable.

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 Post subject: £500 to spend
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:55 pm 
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What road wheels would you buy/build for £500?

Im only light at 64kg so they don't need to be hefty

My current wheels are 1,600g so i'd like to beat that by as much as possible

UK stuff only


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 Post subject: Re: £500 to spend
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:48 am 
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Stans tubeless rims seem to make into a light wheel but what tyres do you use?

or do any clincher tyres work with the sealant?


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 Post subject: The Three builds
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:58 am 
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Alright, I have come up with three builds and would like the opinion of the Weenies. Spokes will be DT swiss Aerolite Nipples will be DT swiss, and velo plugs.

Would like these wheels to to work for 3 day regular riding, 60-80 miles on the weekend, and breaking into randonneuring. Weight 145lbs. Shooting for sub 14lb bike build.

One
Durable?

R hub Chris King R45 24 holes (maybe 28?)
F hub Alchemy Elf 20
Rims Kinlin Xr19w

Two
Light?

R hub Tune Mag 170 24 holes
F hub Tune Mig 170 20 holes
Rims Kinlin XR200

Three
Fairly Durable and light?

R Hub Alchemy Orc Ul 28
F Hub Alchemy Elf 20
Rims Kinlin Xr200 or Xr19w


Would the Velocity A23s be an appropriate rim choice for any of these?


Please discuss?


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 Post subject: Re: £500 to spend
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:08 pm 
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You need road tubeless.still very limited..

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:40 pm 
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@almostweenie- Admittedly I'm a skeptic of both the XR200 and the XR19w. Those are both super soft rims and if your going to build on either one I think the wide flange spacing of the Alchemys is a must. I'd pick the 340 any day over the shallow Kinlins too.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:39 pm 
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Zen, thanks for responding! I see on your website that you are selling the stans 340s.

Would you say the would be a good pair withe any of these builds?

Also, what are your thoughts on the 340 and tire blowing off issue?

Zen Cyclery wrote:
@almostweenie- Admittedly I'm a skeptic of both the XR200 and the XR19w. Those are both super soft rims and if your going to build on either one I think the wide flange spacing of the Alchemys is a must. I'd pick the 340 any day over the shallow Kinlins too.


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