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My lacing method is to line up the hub relative to the rim, count over the number of crosses on the flange, insert spoke in hub and rim... continue till done.
Does it need to be more complicated?
Does it need to be more complicated?
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I have built some 1x heads in DS wheels and even tried 2x heads in DS. The latter was beautifully stiff but the spokes hit the derailleur cage when climbing in the largest cog (but not on the workstand, go figure). Eliminating the cross would increase the derailleur clearance and not change the bracing angle much. The Saint hub has a large diameter shell so it won't twist, and 4x NDS transmits the torque.
I've done lots with radial heads in DS. I really like it as it builds into a fine and very stiff wheel.
DS flange strength can be an issue though, you need a hub with plenty of meat outside the spoke hole.
1X heads in is also a nice build, but you do need to select your spokes carefully so the cross is on the flat part of a bladed spoke or the rear mech clearance can be a pain.
I'm actually just measuring up to do the same build on a pair of LEW 45mm rims right now.
DS flange strength can be an issue though, you need a hub with plenty of meat outside the spoke hole.
1X heads in is also a nice build, but you do need to select your spokes carefully so the cross is on the flat part of a bladed spoke or the rear mech clearance can be a pain.
I'm actually just measuring up to do the same build on a pair of LEW 45mm rims right now.
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36H saint hub on the rim he used will be quite stiff enough. 3x or 4x though so the gains here are vanishingly small, that's my point. On hubs it may be needed to get the bracing angle up but in that case use a different hub that has the bracing angles you want for the build. There is enough choice out there.
Moving over spoke tension onto the NDS is what its all about, not just increasing the width.
I wouldn't agree with your comment that the differences would be very small.
In my experience the heads in pattern on the DS does make quite a bit of difference with the tension sharing between sides....and that can only be a good thing.
I wouldn't agree with your comment that the differences would be very small.
In my experience the heads in pattern on the DS does make quite a bit of difference with the tension sharing between sides....and that can only be a good thing.
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Yes the spoke tension on the NDS is increased but not buy alot (I have done the sums) and the tension balance on these hubs is something like 55-60% if a 3x pattern is used both sides. An off centre rim would raise the balance even further if that is what is wanted.
so while the build done is interesting it does not make the wheel "better" just different. Plenty of other way to get a similar result without using radial lacing on the DS. I am just not a fan esecpially with 36H hubs as it is a risk for the hub cracking.
so while the build done is interesting it does not make the wheel "better" just different. Plenty of other way to get a similar result without using radial lacing on the DS. I am just not a fan esecpially with 36H hubs as it is a risk for the hub cracking.
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KLabs wrote:NDS ratio of 45% is very poor (only just working)! It is all relative, isn't it
thanks KL
It depends... it is relative and depends on the components of a particular build. Using a Campy Record hub, 32 hole, for instance, laced 3x both sides (cuz that's how I like 'em) to a shallow rim, when properly tensioned yields a ratio of pretty much exactly that... ~45%. I've laced and checked enough of these to find that so long as you're close to max tension on the drive side, the NDS will be fine. Super strong, super stable. Tangential spoking. The perfect wheel.
You could do other patterns like maybe 2x on the non-drive side for example (higher tension, but less tangential), or use lighter gauge spokes on that side so they don't go slack as easily, but I like the look of 3x both sides on a standard wheel as well as the durability, feel and aesthetics of round DT comps or comparable Sapims.
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