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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:12 am 
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Well I gave some of my stock of Vittoria Magic Mastik Pro a try. Glued a Conti Sprinter Gatorskin to a Zipp Firecrest. Deliberately didn't use a Vittoria tire wanted a non-coated base tape and if the whole lot turned to the proverbial I wouldn't bleed :oops: anyway from start to finish removing the old tire (Mastik One) cleaning the rim, applying said glue & fitting/inflating/checking was circa 90 minutes. Result.......then and after checking 24 hours later as true as anything I have previously fitted. Base tape is all over the shop (which is what I would usually use as a guide) but tread is nice true an no hops or wobles. Thumb test passed without any concerns. Found it to be messier than the video shows (what a surprise) but the sticky film/residue cleans off with a little automotive wax and grease remover and a rag. Would I use it again, s@@t yeah.... Am I concerned about a road side tire swap?? well I have never carried a spare anyway. I tried the original MM and that is on my regular wheels and all good. Probably not for everyone but I liked it and I reckon I have enough for the next 4 years.... too many wheels and not enough k's.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:39 pm 
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Hi, when you say residue is removed with grease remover/wax? what is that?

i just used this stuff in the UK and as you say, it messier but i cant remove the residue with water, petrol, citrus greaser or Acetone.

the stuff is a xxxxing nightmare and i wish i d stuck with Mastik One.

It does centre very nicely though.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:55 pm 
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jasjas wrote:
Hi, when you say residue is removed with grease remover/wax? what is that?

i just used this stuff in the UK and as you say, it messier but i cant remove the residue with water, petrol, citrus greaser or Acetone.

the stuff is a xxxxing nightmare and i wish i d stuck with Mastik One.

It does centre very nicely though.


Not sure what Auto paint brands you have in the UK but in Oz i have PPG their brand name for wax & grease remover is "Prepsol". I'm sure you will be able to purchase an equivalent from an auto parts or paint store.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:28 pm 
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Thank you, ok i ll try some paint degreaser, whats annoying is Vittoria repeatedly says its "easy to clean with water"

Mastik One takes about 5 or 10mins to remove all the old glue from a rim with petrol if i need too.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:29 am 
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Ahh don't believe "degreaser" is the same. We certainly wouldn't use degreaser prior to painting a car. It may actually work better but W&G remover wipes off and leaves no residue.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:24 pm 
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I'm wanting to put 33mm wide silk cross tyres on a 20.5mm wide rim for cross. This is tubular set 5 for that bike. So I have mud, wide etc.

I have glued since late 1970s and only once dealt with tape - Tufo for road and got rid of it. But for cross it might be the right way to do it. Opinions?

Thinking the FMB tape - or any others that are good.
Again - tubulars for cross 33mm tyre on 20.5 rim - what is the best way to attach? Glue or tape?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:05 pm 
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As far as I am concerned, there is still only one way to glue 'cross tires to road rims: 'Belgian'-style 'cross tape. That is not to be confused with 'tubular' glue tape (which is almost universally a bad idea).

This is 'Belgian'-style 'cross tape: http://cyclocrossworld.com/product/thor ... ular-tape/ Due to the big growth in 'cross in North America, you can actually get this type of tape in many different places. If you search our Thread here, I believe that we have posted 'cross tire gluing technique descriptions in the past.

The basic theory is that the combination of 'conventional' tubular glue (i.e., Mastik 1) and the 'Belgian'-style tape results in a very solid glue job whereby the tape 'fills-in' the extra space created between the rim bed of a 'conventional' road rim and the profile of the larger diameter 'cross tires. I am not sure that there is any other way to do that. Ok, it is a bit more work, but it really works well.

Good luck!


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:56 pm 
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@Geoff @sungod, @Calnago, @Sawyer and others that helped me to learn tubular thing... Thanks :)

I just done thumb test to a new tire glued in the front this time (Vittoria Corsa G+ new tire). This time no mess on the tire, no on the rim, no on the fingers and almost perfect centered and thumb test passed :) And whole procedure i done very quick...

This time since i had the old glue on the rim, which seemed like ok to me, i did not clean it and just put new two thin layers (one thin to smooth everything, and second as final layer). Tire was brand new, i applied just thin coat of glue and one layer only (i checked if is tacky and smooth everywhere after 24 h).

Thanks again...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:16 pm 
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beanbiken wrote:
Well I gave some of my stock of Vittoria Magic Mastik Pro a try. Glued a Conti Sprinter Gatorskin to a Zipp Firecrest. Deliberately didn't use a Vittoria tire wanted a non-coated base tape and if the whole lot turned to the proverbial I wouldn't bleed :oops: anyway from start to finish removing the old tire (Mastik One) cleaning the rim, applying said glue & fitting/inflating/checking was circa 90 minutes. Result.......then and after checking 24 hours later as true as anything I have previously fitted. Base tape is all over the shop (which is what I would usually use as a guide) but tread is nice true an no hops or wobles. Thumb test passed without any concerns. Found it to be messier than the video shows (what a surprise) but the sticky film/residue cleans off with a little automotive wax and grease remover and a rag. Would I use it again, s@@t yeah.... Am I concerned about a road side tire swap?? well I have never carried a spare anyway. I tried the original MM and that is on my regular wheels and all good. Probably not for everyone but I liked it and I reckon I have enough for the next 4 years.... too many wheels and not enough k's.

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Good review! Thanks. Anymore experiences with the new mastic pro glue? could be a game changer....no? I am surprised Vittoria isn't more out front with more info....no mention on their social media sites


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