Sub 1300g "everyday" clinchers. Can it be done?

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by n808

After 10 years on a pair of 1850gr Mavic Ksyrium Elite's I am looking to upgrade to a 1375 - 1450gr wheelset that is reasonably durable for my 67kg everyday riding and does not cost an arm and a leg.

I have been looking at the Dura-Ace C24 (new or used from eBay), but from this thread I see there are plenty of (too many) choices for a wheel novice to wrap my head around...

(I did build my own 36/36 tubulars once upon a time - 1995 or so. I think I would prefer someone else to do the building this time, or maybe I should give it another try)

Alternative 1:
Front:
SLF85W 85gr $50
Kinlin XR-200 383gr $40
24 * Sapim Laser 108gr (radial) $24
24 * Brass nipples 24gr $2.4
= ~600gr

Rear:
SL210 210gr $84
Kinlin XR-200 383gr $40
14 * Sapim Laser 63gr (3 cross) $14
14 * Sapim Race 82gr (3 cross) $14
28 * Brass nipples 28gr $2.8
= ~770gr
Sum: 1370gr w/o tape $270 or so in parts. Build cost..?

Alternative 2: 28/32: + ~50gr = 1420gr, probably better for a lightweight rim like above.

Alternative 3: 20/28 Pacenti SL23 rims:
+124gr rims (445gr/rim)
-22gr spokes/nipples
= 1470gr (+$120)

Alternative 4: Same as 1 or 2, but Stan's Alpha 340 rims, same weight, $120 per rim = +$160 parts cost
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If you're willing to build your own, BHS hubs and Pacenti rims would come to about 1450g (20/28 with lasers except for race on the DS).
Going much below that weight with aluminium clincher rims will compromise either durability, stiffness (which compromises durability) or expense.

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by n808

Thanks - I guess the lightest rims aren't very durable, and they are very narrow. The Pacenti SL23s are ~62gr heavier than the XR-200s, 24mm wide, and probably a better choice for durability and long life.
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Are the BSH's are to be built up stiff enough?

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by dgran

RedRacer wrote:Rounding up the last bits for my build.

Can I buy sub 1300g clinchers that will hold up to everyday abuse under a 190lb rider who only rides 2000 miles/YR? If they last me four years I will be happy. I am normally gentle of wheelsets if it matters :lol: Oh, and I want to keep it under $1000.

Am I crazy or :?:


You can get pretty close with a set of Rolf Elan wheels. Buy them used and they will be below $1,000 and their weight is about 70g higher than your target. I ride them regularly and am happy, but I weigh around 145 and wheels last a long time for me.

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n808 wrote:a 1375 - 1450gr wheelset that is reasonably durable for my 67kg everyday riding and does not cost an arm and a leg.


If you're still looking I'd recommend:

Kinlin XR19w rims (24/28)
Sapim Laser Spokes
Brass Nipples
BHS SL210 and SL71/SL85w (depending on budget)

Should be plenty wheel for your 67kg - should be just under 1400g with the SL85w hubs. Will be lighter with the SL71. You might also be able to get away with alloy nipples to hit the 1375g target or use 20 spokes on the front...
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by AdyM

My road bike is fairly standard, mainly stock parts.
Carbon frame, Sram force, fulcrum 7 wheels. Obviously the wheels are the best place to improve.
I race off road so road biking is mainly for training purposes, but going a bit faster would be lovely, and I don't like knowing my road wheels are 300g heavier than my MTB wheels! (Excluding tyres)

So yeah, looking for a good wheel set upgrade in the around £500 mark, something along the lines of the fulcrum 1's. But any other suggestions would be great. I'm around 80-85kgs in kit.

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by Marin

Farsports 50mm.

My 23mm wide clincher set is 1330 grams and plenty stiff. It's a bit under 500 quid though :D

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THere's some great deals out there at the minute. If you're looking to stick with Fulcrum, Merlin Cycles had Racing Zero's on sale for under £600.

Of course you could build something very nice for that too with your local wheel builder which would be ideal for training duties.

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by byhsu

Hi all:

I am looking to build a set of wheels with maybe the XR270 front and the XR270 or XR300 rear.

I am currently about 163-164 lbs. in the morning, no cloths on, but during winter, i can be up to almost 170 lbs.

I mostly ride rolling hill terrains and flats. My question is, can i do a 20 spoke count for the front with XR270 and 24 spokes with the rear with XR270 or XR300?

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Depends on how hard you are on wheels. I'm around 145 lbs but break rear spokes (lots of steep out of the saddle climbing in low gears). So I build my rear training wheels (on XR270s) with 28 spokes. 20h for the fronts are ok with me as I am light over obstacles.

BHS has a new offset spoke XR270 which I'll be trying the next time I need to build a rear wheel.
If you use their hubs and want to lace radial heads out, use spoke washers. The Bitex hubs countersink is too deep on the outside so the spoke elbow is unsupported.

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byhsu wrote:Hi all:

I am looking to build a set of wheels with maybe the XR270 front and the XR270 or XR300 rear.

I am currently about 163-164 lbs. in the morning, no cloths on, but during winter, i can be up to almost 170 lbs.

I mostly ride rolling hill terrains and flats. My question is, can i do a 20 spoke count for the front with XR270 and 24 spokes with the rear with XR270 or XR300?

Thank You



Try the Kinlin XC279 more aerom wider and stiffer. Yes it is a bit heavier but it is a better rim much better than the XR270 or the XR-300.

With the XC-279 20F/24R will be fine.

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Light wheels are fun but comprimise are built into them. An 18F/24R wheelset with Pacenti SL23 rims, BHS hubs (ultra light front and ultra light rear) would be 1360g if laced with laser or CX-ray and alloy nipples. That about as light as I would go withour making too many comprimises.

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by MisterMuncher

Would reasonably durable 1400g 11 Speed wheels for a 73-75 Kilo rider be possible with a shallow/wide box section rim of some kind? And then preferably in silver? And finally with cup-and-cone bearing hubs? Budget not huge, maybe £500 at a push

My tastes run a little towards the classic look in wheels, and living amongst mountains, along the coast (breezy!) and some awful roads pushes me away from deeper rims. I'm presently using TB14 on Ultegra 6800, which roll well, handle superbly and soak up punishment. They weigh in at 2.2kg with skewers and tapes, though. Surely there's a lighter option out there.

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by kauphy

bm0p700f wrote:
byhsu wrote:Hi all:

I am looking to build a set of wheels with maybe the XR270 front and the XR270 or XR300 rear.

I am currently about 163-164 lbs. in the morning, no cloths on, but during winter, i can be up to almost 170 lbs.

I mostly ride rolling hill terrains and flats. My question is, can i do a 20 spoke count for the front with XR270 and 24 spokes with the rear with XR270 or XR300?

Thank You



Try the Kinlin XC279 more aerom wider and stiffer. Yes it is a bit heavier but it is a better rim much better than the XR270 or the XR-300.

With the XC-279 20F/24R will be fine.

this. a little extra weight to avoid flexy wheels and to improve durability is really worth it, especially if you're going to use them a lot.

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