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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:30 pm 
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Lieblingsleguan wrote:
What do they cost in the US? I like the wheels on paper but 2000€ for a carbon faired aluminum wheelset is bonkers.


$1100 or less USD from reputable sellers with warranty.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:24 pm 
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Matt28NJ wrote:
Lieblingsleguan wrote:
What do they cost in the US? I like the wheels on paper but 2000€ for a carbon faired aluminum wheelset is bonkers.


$1100 or less USD from reputable sellers with warranty.

That is a price I would happily pay :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:20 am 
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The breaking performance with my Fulcrum Racing Quattro Carbon and the red Campy breakpads is far better than with alloy wheels...
Maybe because of the diamond braking surface

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:14 am 
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Braking surface on new Cosmic Carbon Pro SL C with supplied SwissStop yellow pads is better in the wet than my alloy Ksyriums


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:30 pm 
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andylav wrote:
Braking surface on new Cosmic Carbon Pro SL C with supplied SwissStop yellow pads is better in the wet than my alloy Ksyriums
Wow...that's a pretty big endorsement. Have you also tried with black prince pads??

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:58 pm 
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My Zipp 303 tubulars were pretty good in the wet, after half a second of pre braking to clean water off the rims

the new Easton EC90 55 are about as good

neither as good as alloy though


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:20 am 
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andylav wrote:
Braking surface on new Cosmic Carbon Pro SL C with supplied SwissStop yellow pads is better in the wet than my alloy Ksyriums
It is hart to comprehend that yellow Swiss on any carbon rims can perform better than any aluminium rim with any descent pads.
I'm quite surprised that people still use yellow Swiss. Black Prince offer better modulation and power as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:16 am 
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bikerdan wrote:
andylav wrote:
Braking surface on new Cosmic Carbon Pro SL C with supplied SwissStop yellow pads is better in the wet than my alloy Ksyriums
Wow...that's a pretty big endorsement. Have you also tried with black prince pads??

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1415chris wrote:
It is hart to comprehend that yellow Swiss on any carbon rims can perform better than any aluminium rim with any descent pads. I'm quite surprised that people still use yellow Swiss. Black Prince offer better modulation and power as well.


Hi guys,

I haven't tried Black Prince pads as I'm still on the original pads that were supplied with the wheels (though they are getting to the last bit of life left in them after regular use from March of this year).

I didn't have any issues with the yellow pads on the carbon rims and for comparison purposes, I've used Campagnolo standard pads and am currently running SwissStop green pads on the alloy wheels (non-Exalith or Fulcrum equivalent). The first wet ride that I had on the alloy rims in September was terrifying - seemed to take a lot longer to clear the water from the rim and offer any kind of bite compared to the wet runs I got caught out on with the carbons over our 'summer'.

Hadn't considered trying anything other than the yellow pads on account of potential warranty issues but if Black Prince pads offer even better performance, I'll definitely look into them.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:44 pm 
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Well my 404s (Zipp/SwissStop Platinum Evo pads) stopped better than my NBT Enves w/Enve pads.

Have bought SwissStop Black Princes for my upcoming trip to Barcelona. Hopefully they will work better on the Enves...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:22 pm 
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Problem is - there is no baseline for "alloy braking". Brake adjustment, brake pads and rims play a big part.

My experience is that SwissStop Flash Pro BXP Pads on Ultegra direct mount rim brakes with Campy/Fulcrum alloy wheels only need perceivable time to clean the water of the rims when it's really really wet. And it still doesn't pose a big problem then even though I am a heavy rider. But other people tell me that their rims brakes don't work at all when it's wet.

This wide range of effectiveness of rim brakes, whether there are carbon or alloy rims, might also be responsible for parts of the heated disc brake debate.


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