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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:10 am 
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Their components are not Made in USA, even Enve themselves admit it.

Now what about the rims? Are they still Made in USA?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:26 pm 
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No offense, just out of curiosity, why would you ask?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:32 pm 
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I went on a search on their website and nothing stated made in USA, so then the question is are they even built in the US?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:04 pm 
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all the wheels i have in hand states that they are HAND MADE IN THE U.S.A.

there's a sticker on all my wheels by the valve stem hold on the rim portion. all hubs are made in their respective regions, like DT Swiss. I also think that their carbon hubs are manufactured in the US as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:54 pm 
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Multebear wrote:
No offense, just out of curiosity, why would you ask?

My friend told me that a "reliable" source indicated that Enve rims haven't been made in USA since two years ago. They source from China and stick made in USA stickers.

I couldnt take that as he has no proof to his saying, plus I don't believe that company dare to play that trick.

But I haven't touched any Enve rims since my SES 3.4 Disc, that's why I ask. And now I get the expected answer.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:24 pm 
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Yes. They are.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:18 pm 
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Perhaps Enve should move the production to Finland, now that they are owned by Amer Sports.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:17 pm 
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NovemberDave wrote:
Yes. They are.


yes, they are ....

outsourced / made in usa


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:39 pm 
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jeffy wrote:
NovemberDave wrote:
Yes. They are.


yes, they are ....

outsourced / made in usa


I answered the question "Are Enve rims still Made in USA?" That answer is "yes they are."

The hangtag that came with the pair I'm about to lace says...
"HANDMADE IN USA
The rim you hold in your hands is handcrafted in Ogden, Utah from 100% raw, uni-directional carbon fiber..."

You get into serious trouble if you say stuff like that and it's not true.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:55 pm 
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i don't see why they don't make their own rims. they make carbon tubing for lots of manufacturers...including their forks are OEM to many bike builders.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:18 am 
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NovemberDave wrote:

You get into serious trouble if you say stuff like that and it's not true.



Only if you get caught ;-)

Do you know for a fact, that they are US-made? Or are you just assuming they are? Have you seen the facilities, where they are made?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:45 pm 
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Multebear wrote:
Do you know for a fact, that they are US-made? Or are you just assuming they are? Have you seen the facilities, where they are made?


If you want to call taking the CEO of the company at her explicitly stated word, along with a vast preponderance of other evidence, "assuming" then I'm assuming. I have not been to their facility, nor do I plan to go. There's not a whole ton of shenanigans I'd put past the bike industry, but I'm 100% satisfied that Enve rims are made in the US. If someone has great evidence that that's not the case, s/he could more or less instantly take Enve out of business - not for the fact, but for the lying.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:56 pm 
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NovemberDave wrote:

If someone has great evidence that that's not the case, s/he could more or less instantly take Enve out of business - not for the fact, but for the lying.



Maybe. I've noticed that "US made" is very important for most americans. We europeans tend to care a little less about where stuff is made, since most of our products are made in asia anyway.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:07 pm 
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If there was a need for them to be made elsewhere, and they articulated that need and executed the product well in the production location, that would likely work fine. To have "Made in USA" be such a prominent part of the story of their rims while they are just baldly lying about it is not a credible scenario to me. The repercussions of behavior that irresponsible would be instant and massive.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:03 pm 
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NovemberDave wrote:
The repercussions of behavior that irresponsible would be instant and massive.
Not really. They'd be long and drawn out.

Hundreds of companies do this every day across the globe.
Make the parts overseas, assemble/paint/add value domestically, then slap a "made domestically" sticker on. Cos technically, they are. As most of the added value is added domestically. (€1000 worth of parts assembled into a €3000 dollar product)

Apart from a few geeks on forums, no one else much cares.

Having just read the FTCs guidelines you could quite easily argue that a rim of asian manufacture on chris king hubs and DT spokes assembled in the US, would probably comply with their guidelines (which appear to have been written by a committee of 8 year olds, but, whatever. Most governmental documents read like that.)

The important phrase in both EU and US regulations is along the lines of
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Goods are deemed to have been manufactured or produced in the country in which they last underwent a treatment or process resulting in a substantial change.


There are some other bits in the FTC guideline about how much needs to be made in the US, but importantly, no hard and fast rules/numbers, so you'd have to go to court to find out.......... So long and drawn out.


So wheels with non-domestically manufactured rims would be ok labelled as made in USA. Non-domestic rims on their own. Not so good.


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