Yes, C50 looks more classic in many ways. Traditional headset, slimmer tubes, colors. I would accept both wheelsets for an horizontal top tube EPS maybe.
Thank you. That makes a lot of sense to me.
As I am leaning more toward a C59, if I can find one, I guess I am leaning more toward Zondas.
But I will buy a frame first, I think, and then the wheels, just to be certain.
I vote hand builts. The lacing on the Zondas sure looks cool, however I've read too many stories about having to wait 2 weeks while a shop orders a $20 spoke to go with a wheelset that uses proprietary parts like the Zondas. Spokes for your custom wheels will be less than a dollar and available anywhere that sells wheel parts.
Interesting, thank you. I have not read many, if any, reports criticizing the Zondas for not
being durable. I myself, at +/- 225#/100kg, have actually never broken a spoke, knock on wood. In any case, I try to always have a few spare spokes on hand.
If you go the new Zonda route, I really like the 17mm internal rim width (got a go with some new Shamal Ultras a bit ago), so that would be good. On the other hand, if you go classic with a lower profile rim, you can't beat the Record hubs and why would you want to do anything other than 32hole, 3x lacing on those anyway, especially given your size. I wouldn't go black spokes/nipples however... stick with silver... the look is so nice glistening in the sun.
You received my PMs...get well soon!
Yes, on Records 32 3x would be great. I think spoke/nipple color have a lot to do with the frame. On your beautiful C50, I can see silver spokes; in your beautiful C59, I can see all-black.
Our base price for a White Industries build is $665, which when you consider that it gets built with a $470 set of hubs, is a pretty great deal in our opinion.
I sincerely apologize if you took any of my previous comments as criticisms. They were certainly not intended as such. Much more that I am not at all in the "bicycle business" and sometimes asking a question, and having further, different options suggested, can get a bit frustrating.
That said, thank you very much for replying here. I will certainly look into your products more carefully. Also, "re-branded" was a bad choice of words on my part...I realize that word has a negative stigma attached to it. I should have said "built by" Sarto. I very much respect Sarto, and I think the November frame is very nice from all appearances.
Seriously unless you're a monumental spoke-breaker the average lifetime cost difference between the wheels in terms of spoke replacements will be little if anything.
On 7 or 8 sets of Campag wheels over 15 years I've broken one spoke - an RD going into a rear Shamal Ultra.
What you could do to avoid the wait is just buy three spare Zonda spokes (one front, one rear DS, one rear NDS) ...
I'd go Zonda on this one as you may have guessed
Lighter, likely to be more reliable based on experience of top end "factory" built vs handbuilt, cheaper, and more aero
Thank you. That all makes sense. I definitely agree with having extra spokes on hand.
I just spoke with Campagnolo NA, and they don't even have Zonda C17 replacement spokes in stock yet, but my guess is that the C17 spokes will be slightly different from any older "2-Way Fit", etc., Zonda spokes, which all were laced to the narrower rim.