Bogan wrote:As I said lots of people trying to convince others that they are wrong.
Or perhaps some just have a sense of humour = You did see
That's your problem right there.
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Bogan wrote:As I said lots of people trying to convince others that they are wrong.
bm0p700f wrote:Ah xena I was not aware you had indoor tarmac track to test you claim on. Obviously you do. Care to share your data. Oh sorry you dont it is jut your opinion. I really could not care if clinchers are quicker or not they are far too puncture prone for me and nothing slows you down like a puncture. tubs and the tubeless tyres I use are far better in this regard.
The rolling resistance difference between the corsa G+ clincher and the tubular tyre is so small (I dont what it is or which is lower) that it wont make any difference. People dont win or loose an event because they went for a Corsa clincher or tubular. They win or loos because the position is optimised, they are on form, everything just fall into place.....
Xena seems to think otherwise. I would just like to not get caught in traffic jams on the way to a race so I actually make it to the start line.
xena wrote:... Its not an opinion it seems to hold up here ...
sungod wrote:i don't care which is faster, i just dislike nonsense being claimed as scientific fact
Stalkan wrote:Really? I guess I have been unsafe for most of the last 6 years and who knows how many thousands of miles trained and raced. FWIW, I have had less flats on clinchers mounted with latex tubes (bontrager xxx) than any type of butyl tube that i ran in the ~10 years before I switched to latex. Anecdotal, I know, but you're statement is a bit out there. Care to elaborate some?
bm0p700f wrote:nice to know I am wrong of course in the real world there are so many factors that affect pace whether I am on tubeless tyres or tubs is not really a factor. I dont even use clinchers any more had to keep stopping when they hissed.
I also own some very light light clincher wheels but I have lighter tubular wheels You are entiled to your opinions of course Xena but just because you dont see the point does not mean there is not point for other. Tubs generally puncture less often then clinchers. I carry one tub in my back pocket and a can of pit stop. If I am on a very long ride I may carry two tubs in a saddle bag. When I rode with clinchers I took 3 or 4 tubes as I needed them too often. I did not do 100+ mile rides with clinchers as I would have had to carry a spare tyre and about 4 tubes. So actually I have less in my back pocket riding with tubs than I do with tubed clinchers. With tubeless I have stopped carrying a tube as they dont let me down. Also given the conti tubs often have sealant inside they actually sort themselves out if they puncture.
I can ride a gator skin tub and enjoy the ride (in winter) an know I probably wont need the spare. I cannot really enjoy the ride so much with a gator skin clincher the last time I used them oh my they where so uncomfortable and I know I will probably need a spare tube at some point. Winters coming gator skin tubs get a bit of use then on sundays. Vittoria corsa clinchers are good but puncture in the wet, GP400sII puncture, 4 seasons puncture alot, Michelins would not last 5 miles for me, Schwable marathon are just too heavy and uncomfotable, Schwable road tyres in general I do not like much...... So you see been down the clincher route and well flint it cuts through everything and round here I ride on roads covered in tiny sharp knives.
So yes I am obviously wrong or maybe the fasted tyre is the one that gets you round without stopping. That will depend on where you ride and the condtions you train and race in.
sungod wrote:xena wrote:... Its not an opinion it seems to hold up here ...
those three links are completely science-free, i.e. they are no more than opinion, but it appears that as it's an opinion your prefer, you reference it as evidence to support your position
going for a ride and making a video to draw hits for someone's channel is not evidence, it's a commercial exercise
a puff piece for someone's book is not evidence, it's a commercial exercise
to be clear, i don't care which is faster, i just dislike nonsense being claimed as scientific fact
bm0p700f wrote:Mattr i would not run those high pressures on any other tyre but it works on these narrow tubulars. Wider ones work much better at lower pressures. If you have not tried it how can you say it does not work. I have tried normal pressures 120 psi for these tubs and that works o.k. Lower pressures just dont feel right. Beside those are racing pressures for circuit races. I thought the grip in the tight bends would not be there but the bike just holds the track.
I run my 25mm conti tubs at 90 to 100 psi. Higher pressures in these dont work so pressure is tyre and course dependent. I may happen to know what i am doing.
The streets of london are clean xena although if i rode in london i might use the marathon plus tyre it may not be fast but i find traffic lights slow you down more.
I am glad you agree you pick the tyre for roads you ride on. Hense the thread should be titled which us quicker tubs or clichers for tge roads the op rides on upon which we could havd said toss a coin as no one can say for sure.