AZK wrote:Multebear wrote:
I'm not familiar with how it is to ride crits in the states. We don't ride as many crits here in europe as you do in the states. But the crits that we ride in the cat 1 or cat 2 races here, rarely end in a bunch sprint. 4 out of 5 end with a brakeaway. This means that there is a lot of stop and go until the brake is made. I would definitely choose deeper section rims for longer races, but with a lot of stop and go, it makes sence with lighter rims because of all the accellerations. I have both a set of 38 and a set of 50 mm clinchers. I prefer the 38's for crits. But maybe the races develop differently in the states, which makes 50 mm more relevant.
Good points racing here (UK) does tend to end in a break 8/10 times. However I have yet to be able to survive in a break, FTP is not my strong point. All my best results have come from a sprint finish.Multebear wrote:
Besides that, the more I think about it, with your weight you shouldn't aim for light hubs at all. Actually I think the right hub for you would be White Industries T11. They are a bit heavier than the other ones mentioned, but they are so strong, that you'd 20/24 spoke config wouldn't be a problem. If your choosing something like the Tune Mig/Mags, then I wouldn't go below 24/28 with your weight. But with the whites, 20/24 would be fine. And you definitely rather want fewer spokes, than lighter hubs.
I've followed your advice and scratched light hubs off my list, The T11 Looks goodI was under the impression that more spokes are always better unless the rim (not the hub) can substitute the lower spoke count? When you say less spoke are possible on a stronger hub, I assume this has to do with the flange strength being able to take loading at bigger intervals with more point load?
So in summary
24 spoke Front - Radial possible? , It looks better
28 Spoke Rear - 2x both sides or even 3x ?
52 x CX-Ray spokes +/- 240g
Nipples - 30g ?
Corima 73mm Tubular rim 435g each (Again love the look of this 12k radial weave rim)
'Mid' weight Front hub - CK R45 for weight reference - 102g
'Mid' weight Rear hub - CK R45 for weight reference - 226g
Total = 1468g
The Bora 50 One is around 1265g with 18/21 lacing, Ultra saves about an extra 40g.
Would the extra 200g make a stiffer more durable wheel in this case?
PS. Could a mod change the title to something like 'Lightest wheel option for a fat crit rider'
You can change the title yourself by editing the title in the first post.
The number of spokes is mostly decided by your weight so that the nipples don't get loose and the spokes eventually brake or at least need regular retensioning. But if you're aiming at the lowest number of spokes possible with your weight, you definitely don't want the hubs to be the weak spot. When designing light hubs, the manufacturers shave as much material of as possible. With 100 kg I'd say you'd be somewhere between a 24/28 and 20/24 config depending on the rimdepth. If you're going 50 mm or more on 25 mm wide rims, then 20/24 should be fine. You could also consider 20/28.
24 spoke front would preferably be 2x. 28 spoke rear would be 3x. Radial lacing only with 20 spokes er less, and only front. It os possible to do 16:8 or 18:9 lacing rear with radial lacing on NDS, but you'd probably want advice from bm0p700f for that.
I haven't checked your math regarding weigt difference between Corima/CK R45 vs Boras, but are you sure, that you are comparing clinchers with clinchers and vice versa? And if you want to compare, make sure that both depth and width are the same. Campagnolo build very stiff, light and durable wheels. But they have been a bit late with modern rimshape (U shape and width)
! never knew it could help that much. The added help in a break would also be much appreciated.
