New Zipp NSW Wheels - Showstopper any good?
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sometime it is better to analyze before making quick ignorant statements.
mavic does not have the best dry performance..
the data is interesting to see how reynold vs bontrager vs zipp vs dt..
zipp marketing claims showstopper delivers in the wet. there hubs are crap and so is there wet performance
mavic does not have the best dry performance..
the data is interesting to see how reynold vs bontrager vs zipp vs dt..
zipp marketing claims showstopper delivers in the wet. there hubs are crap and so is there wet performance
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Yeah, but no-one really cares about dry performance because everything's more or less the same (as long as the rim doesn't melt). Being cynical, you could say it's an easy one to give away to gain a bit of credibility then people will be more inclined to believe that they really do win the important one, which is wet performance.
That said, I'm very surprised to see that Zipp supposedly come dead last, and some interesting ommissions in the test, including Enve and Campa/Fulcrum. Especially since as mentioned Campa's existing rim treatment sounds very similar to Mavic's new one.
That said, I'm very surprised to see that Zipp supposedly come dead last, and some interesting ommissions in the test, including Enve and Campa/Fulcrum. Especially since as mentioned Campa's existing rim treatment sounds very similar to Mavic's new one.
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It had been interesting to see how they did this test and what pads they used.
I can hardly believe that the latest Zipp is the last. Actually i don't!
I can hardly believe that the latest Zipp is the last. Actually i don't!
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It's not issue of faith ... that's fact
Short poll :
Zipp wheels are :
1. Lightweight
2. Stiff
3. Reliable
4. Have good braking
5. Reasonably priced
6. Customizable
7. None of above
EU law says that if you make an any advert by comparison to other products you MUST ( as manufacturer/dealer ) a. show its names b. provide real data and use same procedure for all products c. in tests you must use all stuff as recommended by certain manufacturer ( brakepads in this example ). Not following those rules is/ can be painfully expensive.
I'm not a Mavic fan, not at all. But such documents are basically most reliable for all "claims" given.
Sure Mavic could use certain speed and amount of water to get desired results, but it had to be achievable in "normal conditions" . Again ... regulations.
We have rule even for proper banana curvature in EU, so evrything is under control
Short poll :
Zipp wheels are :
1. Lightweight
2. Stiff
3. Reliable
4. Have good braking
5. Reasonably priced
6. Customizable
7. None of above
goodboyr wrote:Just amazing.....data provided by mavic shows mavic is best....
EU law says that if you make an any advert by comparison to other products you MUST ( as manufacturer/dealer ) a. show its names b. provide real data and use same procedure for all products c. in tests you must use all stuff as recommended by certain manufacturer ( brakepads in this example ). Not following those rules is/ can be painfully expensive.
I'm not a Mavic fan, not at all. But such documents are basically most reliable for all "claims" given.
Sure Mavic could use certain speed and amount of water to get desired results, but it had to be achievable in "normal conditions" . Again ... regulations.
We have rule even for proper banana curvature in EU, so evrything is under control
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I can be wrong, and have plenty of examples for that
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I can be wrong, and have plenty of examples for that
I have put about 250ish miles on the wheels so far, but no wet weather yet. Dry braking is fine as expected. The hub is really different sounding, everyone I've ridden with keeps asking me if my bike is okay. It sounds like a bag of bolts tumbling around back there when coasting, apparently. The decreased resistance is noticeable though, When backpedalling it feels like you have no chain on your bike.
I have the NSW 404's and previously have had bora 35/50 with the new surface. Zipp's are definitely better. Seems like more outright braking power but also more modulation.
Bora's were on both the supplied pads and also black prince. NSW 404's are on supplied pads.
I cant feel the diff with the cognitive hubs though. It definitely sounds diff though.
Bora's were on both the supplied pads and also black prince. NSW 404's are on supplied pads.
I cant feel the diff with the cognitive hubs though. It definitely sounds diff though.
wingguy wrote:superdx wrote:I'm affected by the hub recall and my LBS refuses to tell me when I'm getting my wheel back. Every week they say they don't know.
In defense of your LBS, I'm pretty sure that if they tell you they don't know, they genuinely don't know and they can't find out. The brick wall you feel like you're running into with them is actually the brick wall they'll be running into with SRAM.
There is a tracking system for the recall. Your LBS should be able to see where your wheel is in the process - transit in either direction or being rebuilt. I've already had 2 wheels taken care of and they have both been under 2 weeks door to door.
RoadBike Magazine did a test of Zipp wheels a few years ago and their results seem to agree with Mavic's results of their wet braking performance. Very linear, but not a lot of grab ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
http://www.roadbike.de/test/parts/im-de ... 5142.9.htm (404's and their cork pads)
http://www.roadbike.de/test/parts/roadb ... 20.9.htm#1 (303's and their Platinum Pro pads)
I'd love to see Mavic's Exolith compared to their (i)TgMAX
This is an area I'd love to see more data. I think everyone is pretty tired of aerodynamic data showing minute differences, but we haven't really seen braking performance tests from manufacturers, so Mavic.
http://www.roadbike.de/test/parts/im-de ... 5142.9.htm (404's and their cork pads)
http://www.roadbike.de/test/parts/roadb ... 20.9.htm#1 (303's and their Platinum Pro pads)
I'd love to see Mavic's Exolith compared to their (i)TgMAX
This is an area I'd love to see more data. I think everyone is pretty tired of aerodynamic data showing minute differences, but we haven't really seen braking performance tests from manufacturers, so Mavic.
Do the NSW use the new v10 hubs a la 2016 404 Firecrest?
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The v10 Firecrest is a 177/77 FYI, it's on their website: http://www.zipp.com/about/story.php?ID=664
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