Knight Composites - 'fastest carbon wheels ever'
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- Tinea Pedis
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I think Charles' old signature said it best about the only criticism being "that's ugly". Can't deny it needs to look good, but the offering isn't any different to a lot of others (Reynolds, Zipp, etc).
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Darkinstall's rant was on the money, so to speak ... too expensive and look rubbish
Unless they independently test much faster then ENVE/Zipp etc they won't sell
Good to see a female CEO (is she attractive?)
JOKE - it's a holiday here in the UK, it's raining, and I can't ride ...
Unless they independently test much faster then ENVE/Zipp etc they won't sell
Good to see a female CEO (is she attractive?)
JOKE - it's a holiday here in the UK, it's raining, and I can't ride ...
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Stiff, Light, Aero - Pick Three!!
Stiff, Light, Aero - Pick Three!!
Tinea Pedis wrote:Bev also worked closely with Simon Smart when the SES Enve range was being designed. She knows her onion - being a woman and the CEO was not some sort of symbolic gesture.
Loads of balls. One of those people is responsible for making ENVE's fast, and it's not Beverly. Simone's job is sitting in a wind tunnel making things fast (Drag2Zero is no joke).
As has been mentioned, testing off the bike means nothing. Dimond bikes tunnel faster than traditional TT bikes until you add a rider...
I would also bet my left nut that the RZR 92 tunnels faster (Paul Lew is also no joke).
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You've taken me out of context, at no point did I say Bev was the brains behind it (Enve SES). She was part of the team which branded them 'Smart' wheels. Me claiming otherwise would be crazy. I had dinner with them, technical questions were directed to Simon. Not that Bev doesn't have a knowledge base, rather that Simon was the guru. His knowledge certainly outstripped my ability to comprehend back then (2011).
Deep breaths Grill. Hopefully that clarifies what I was trying to say
I'm keen to see some testing by others once they hit the market. You'll never please everyone. But I rated my 3.4 and 6.7 wheels highly, so hoping these perform along the same lines.
She's English and truly fun to chat with - became mates from there. Always nice to have pleasant industry types that you can have a drink with and talk bikes, tech, etc.
Deep breaths Grill. Hopefully that clarifies what I was trying to say
I'm keen to see some testing by others once they hit the market. You'll never please everyone. But I rated my 3.4 and 6.7 wheels highly, so hoping these perform along the same lines.
sawyer wrote:Good to see a female CEO (is she attractive?)
JOKE - it's a holiday here in the UK, it's raining, and I can't ride ...
She's English and truly fun to chat with - became mates from there. Always nice to have pleasant industry types that you can have a drink with and talk bikes, tech, etc.
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Tinea Pedis wrote:You've taken me out of context, at no point did I say Bev was the brains behind it (Enve SES). She was part of the team which branded them 'Smart' wheels. Me claiming otherwise would be crazy. I had dinner with them, technical questions were directed to Simon. Not that Bev doesn't have a knowledge base, rather that Simon was the guru. His knowledge certainly outstripped my ability to comprehend back then (2011).
Deep breaths Grill. Hopefully that clarifies what I was trying to say
Indeed it does. I've seen too many people try and make a name off the back of others work, so I like to know that the right people are getting credit.
No doubt that she's business savvy and triathletes will lap these us as they love spending money on products with questionable aero credentials. Lack of tubs means I won't consider them even if their claims are on the money.
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Did some more digging, found that these designs will be available. And 'maybe' some custom decals too.
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I appreciate companies getting into the market and putting the R&D into the research....for Asian companies to come along and copy it for much less.
You can build a set of 40mm carbon asian clinchers with Tune hubs for $1300, half the price. Or also 56mm tubulars that weight in under 1350g same hubs with CXRays. I've done it, and they are reliable and great wheels. I know most people won't build/spec their own wheels and don't trust the asian makers from China particularly, but I've had good success. And no longer willing to buy Zipp etc..anymore. Most of the bigger companies are going on their marketing spiel and hype rather than anything scientifically new/different/better the past few years.
This company is obviously designing, and having the molds/rims built in Taiwan/China, maybe stringing them up in the US in a small building. Obviously with their success from other careers and money at hand, they decided to use their names, and put money up front to design/build molds and try their hand at marketing/selling and building wheels, as many do today. Typically formula for most bikes companies/technology these days.
They are just going out and saying these are "game changers"...ROFL...yeah right. For Tony Martin maybe, but not 99.99999% of cyclist, even higher level that compete. The pros win on all sorts of frames/wheels etc...these aren't going to change anything, except going the extra marketing mile to garner attention and sell their product.
You can build a set of 40mm carbon asian clinchers with Tune hubs for $1300, half the price. Or also 56mm tubulars that weight in under 1350g same hubs with CXRays. I've done it, and they are reliable and great wheels. I know most people won't build/spec their own wheels and don't trust the asian makers from China particularly, but I've had good success. And no longer willing to buy Zipp etc..anymore. Most of the bigger companies are going on their marketing spiel and hype rather than anything scientifically new/different/better the past few years.
This company is obviously designing, and having the molds/rims built in Taiwan/China, maybe stringing them up in the US in a small building. Obviously with their success from other careers and money at hand, they decided to use their names, and put money up front to design/build molds and try their hand at marketing/selling and building wheels, as many do today. Typically formula for most bikes companies/technology these days.
They are just going out and saying these are "game changers"...ROFL...yeah right. For Tony Martin maybe, but not 99.99999% of cyclist, even higher level that compete. The pros win on all sorts of frames/wheels etc...these aren't going to change anything, except going the extra marketing mile to garner attention and sell their product.
Kevin Quan was a engineer that worked at Cervelo. He designed the R3.
I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my 65mm Knight's. I will post photos and a ride report as soon as possible. My comparison will be against Reynolds 46's and Enve 3.4's. Can't wait to ride and report...
Just dig in and climb it!!!
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Knight popped up the results from Pro Cycling's test of their wheels
https://www.facebook.com/knightcomposit ... permPage=1
(click through the album to see the other pages, I used my iPad to zoom in and read them)
I'm hoping to have a test of some 95's soon. But data so far looks good.
https://www.facebook.com/knightcomposit ... permPage=1
(click through the album to see the other pages, I used my iPad to zoom in and read them)
I'm hoping to have a test of some 95's soon. But data so far looks good.
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I love to be able to afford wind tunnel time and test a whole bunch of wheels against the ones I ride to see of there is a significant difference. Testing the wheel of the bike without a rider does not make much sence to me as it will exgaterate the difference made. I want to know the change in CDa of the whole bike rider thing when the wheels are changed with the same tyres fitted, that is relevant. The results often presented are not.
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I've got a pair of the 95's to test for the next couple of weeks. Will be using the front in the Australian Nationals TT and both in the road race - as their aero gains will more than make up for the 300g weight gain from my CC SLRs.
Will report back on how they go. But will have to save up for a set. They're not discounting for anyone. Which as a new company I totally appreciate.
Will report back on how they go. But will have to save up for a set. They're not discounting for anyone. Which as a new company I totally appreciate.