I will be trying out a new sub 1,000 gram Enve 45 wheelset with Alchemy hubs this weekend. 995 grams with both wheels on my scale, 997 front + rear weighed separately to nearest gram on Jeremy's scale. Either way, sub 1,000.
Some of you may have seen this exact wheelset on display at Interbike. Red adonized hubs, 18/20 Pillar Ti spokes. Not for everyone but I am a moderately light weight rider about 145 pounds. In the process of gluing up some Veloflex Extremes. I am used to racing on 303s with Vittoria SCs so will be interesting to see how they compare to those. Jeremy thinks I will be pleasantly surprised with ride and stiffness compared to the Zipps. I have high respect for Jeremy and his wealth of knowledge regarding wheelset build comparisons, but the Ti spokes do admittedly give me some reservation so we'll see!
I have not ridden Lightweights.
I've got alchemies built to 6.7 tubs with X-rays, super nice wheels
I also have 1.45s built to extralite SPM and SPX hubs with X-rays again.
Lethe extalites are 990g, stiff and really snappy one of the nicest wheels I've ever used. The 6.7s are really nice too but not as snappy and a little less stiff.
Funny you've got a sub kilo wheelset built using such over built and heavy hubs. Using the extralite or tune hubs you could use more spokes, steel spokes and have better stiffness, plus save a couple of $$ not using the much softer Ti spokes. Thinking of re lacing the hubs next year to 1.25s for a truly climby wheelset.
As for the lightweight debate.. They are stiff and expensive.. Other wise they are not very aero/robust/nice on windy days. The Swiss stop pads they come with are f-ing horrid in the wet and grabby unless you keep the rims clean..
For that money you could get 2 sets of evne wheels. One sub kilo tubs and maybe the 3.4s in clincher.
You pay extra for the extended service which comes free with the enves..
Opps I've just realised that you pay lots for the enve stuff in Europe, here in Australia the lightweights are over 5k and the enves 2.5-3k
Being in Australia, are you are suggesting that the enve's are more favourable in comparison to LWs ? I agree that the enve's do seem like the better choice ( cost ratio ) and LW's are known for being notoriously expensive, that on side, what is the ride quality ? If the quality of the ride is sub par compared to the bora ultra 2s, i do not think there is a reason for me to buy another set of hoops. What I'm chasing after , is the sublime quality of ride that the wheels provide. I am in an unfortunate circumstance that neither anyone around me have either to let me test ride.
that aside, for a 85kg rider, if im looking at a stiff set of 3.4 enve's, which hubs would be the better recommendation ?
Once you get into the $3K range, why not go ahead and pay a little more to get arguably the best wheel set available. Lightweights are engineered top to bottom. They are not just carbon rims built up from a box of off the shelf parts.
That has got me thinking as to why so many people have a love/hate relationship with LWs. Its not a set of hoops built from custom DIY parts, Its not a unengineered piece of wheelset, but yet again, many people buy it for the bling factor? or simply for the ride quality? the reviews I have read thus far sound disappointing and poorly opinionated towards the DT190.