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front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:25 pm
by bratz
Newbie here trying to learn wheel building...I could borrow a truing stand but no dishing tool. Building a front wheel radial lace. So the question is does front radial need to be dished? If it does, i think im better off sending the wheel to a build.

Thanks in advance

front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:25 pm
by Weenie

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:47 pm
by LouisN
The hub certainly has to be centered, front or rear.
So I guess you can try without using a dish tool. You can use a straight object, put it on the rim brake surface, and measure the distance between the object and the hub. It has to be the same both sides.

Louis :)

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:16 pm
by bikerjulio
Front is symmetric.

Through many wheel builds, I've never used a dishing tool.

I have Park's cheap stand with the single guage.

Guess what? Throughout the build i flip the wheel in the stand and adjust as necessary. Working my way to perfection. :D

More accurate IMO too.

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:42 pm
by NovemberDave
bikerjulio wrote:Front is symmetric.

Through many wheel builds, I've never used a dishing tool.

I have Park's cheap stand with the single guage.

Guess what? Throughout the build i flip the wheel in the stand and adjust as necessary. Working my way to perfection. :D

More accurate IMO too.


Same here, except I have fancy Park stands, and take the left gauge arm out. The gauge arms are near impossible to keep centered and the dishing tools are a pain in the butt. The flip works flawlessly.

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:46 pm
by bratz
Thanks for the tips guys.....I'll give the flip a go and see the outcome..if I encounter any problem,off to wheelbuilder it goes :)

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:44 pm
by MajorMantra
If your tensions are pretty even then a front wheel will stay centred of its own accord. Rear wheels require rather more attention.

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:44 am
by bratz
Major- thats what Im thinking of...being same tension the wheels should center themselves

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:05 pm
by bm0p700f
However a dishing tool is a worthwhile investment. A front wheel should not require dishing unless the rim has an offset like the archetype but the dishing tool less method is unlikely to get the dish mm perfect.

Dishing tools are not a pain in the butt. I use one every day takes seconds and you know where you are, it speeds up wheel building as it take the guess work out. I would also suggest a spoke tension gauge even a basic one like park's is good enough. I get wheels dished, round and stright to with 0.5mm before I get the spoke tension gauge out and even then I find quite big variations in tension maybe 10-15% on some spokes. Even tensions out will help increase spoke life abit so it worth while.

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:05 pm
by Weenie

Re: front radial lace need dishing?

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:36 am
by bratz
bmop700f - thanks for the advice...as im on a loaner truing stand and park tensionmeter , im now considering investing in the wheelbuilding tools myself after starting this wheelbuild.I find it calming doing 1/4 , 1/8 turn on the nipple :)

After 4 hours of truing im nearly there in roundness,straight,dish. I went back and forth for maybe 6 times or more to end where I am.

Btw which is the better sequence to follow in truing rim as I did round,straight,dish in that order.

Tension is nearly even as of now...will do more tweaks soon. Averaging 18 on park tensionmeter for fulcrum racing zero spokes. Not sure what it translate in kgf as thats what the tension is before I disassembled the wheel for the new rims.

Once im done with this front wheel...I think Im gonna get some BHS hubs and xr200 rim for more truing practice