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 Post subject: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:42 pm 
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Has anybody experience with the black rims? Are they as durable as Mavics Black wheels? I read that they are anodized only. Grateful for your thoughts and experiences!


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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 10:11 am 
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^^^Same question. Anyone with any experience yet?


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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:01 pm 
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I believe it's a coating, rather than just anodising.

Like the Fulcrum Racing Zero Nites and the impending Ligero Dark Matter rims, I suspect HED will suggest or provide a softer compound pad or carbon pad.


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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 12:05 pm 
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It's a coating Exalith-like. Haven't you seen the price? The process makes it cost nearly the same as carbon rims. Would be hard to argue with an anodizing à la H+Son.


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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 3:09 pm 
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I have the HED Belgium Black. Not sure if they are the same rim/compound. Ran then a few times in the rain last year and the coating is coming off on the brake track. It was nice when it lasted, but it's ok. They look used/functional :thumbup:

But yes, it will wear - a lot faster when wet.

SwissStop pads (black), for the record.

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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 1:08 pm 
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nobuseri wrote:
I have the HED Belgium Black. Not sure if they are the same rim/compound. Ran then a few times in the rain last year and the coating is coming off on the brake track. It was nice when it lasted, but it's ok. They look used/functional :thumbup:

But yes, it will wear - a lot faster when wet.

SwissStop pads (black), for the record.


Do you recommend these wheels? I'm considering the Ardennes FR, which I believe are the same, but without the Black, that wears off!

They seem a little heavy for the very high price of an Alloy rimmed wheel. Are they worth it?

Thx.


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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 3:41 pm 
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Titanium22 wrote:
nobuseri wrote:
I have the HED Belgium Black. Not sure if they are the same rim/compound. Ran then a few times in the rain last year and the coating is coming off on the brake track. It was nice when it lasted, but it's ok. They look used/functional :thumbup:

But yes, it will wear - a lot faster when wet.

SwissStop pads (black), for the record.


Do you recommend these wheels? I'm considering the Ardennes FR, which I believe are the same, but without the Black, that wears off!

They seem a little heavy for the very high price of an Alloy rimmed wheel. Are they worth it?

Thx.


The FR or even the SL models are lighter than the set I have, but have less spokes as well. I ride with some folks who have them, and they like them (if that holds any weight for you). They would buy them again.

I have a hand-built set (Belgium Black) laced to Dura Ace hubs. DT Comp spokes, 32h/32h. Not as light as the SL/FR, but definitely more spokes and I like the dura ace hubs.

I am sure there are lighter rims out there, but I have had good experience with the HED ones in the past, so I stick to them. I wouldn't buy the black model next time - just the uncoated braking surface. :D

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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 4:14 pm 
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Rich, have your Ligero Dark Matters arrived yet?? Interested to hear reports.


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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:18 am 
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Soon hopefully shipping this week.
I have some samples coming and will
Be building Rich's DMs up. He's got some really crazy hubs lined up. Mine are been built to extralites new cyberhub straight pulls.

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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
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Cyberhubs look superb - bit OT but is there a significant difference in flange spacing between the straight pull version and the regular? I think Fairwheel have the straight pull ones measured as lighter....


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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
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I personally avoid the flanged extralite hubs as much as I can as they have a 100kgf limit on the drive side flanges. This leads to a low NDS tension balance which in my option is a non desirable situation.
The straight pulls do have a wider NDS bracing and have a 130kgf limit. Run to around 120kgf you can get a resonable amount of tention On the non drive side. They are a pretty awesome hub

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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
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Thank you.... the NDS flange to centre is pretty wide (?39mm) even on the J bend models. I guess I would have to use beefy DS spokes and Megalites or something on the NDS.


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 Post subject: Re: HED Ardennes Black
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:09 pm 
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LEC135 wrote:
^^^Same question. Anyone with any experience yet?


Just got my set- they weigh 1415g without rim tape or skewers.

I spoke to the distributor before buying - apparently he's been running a set for a year in all weathers, and the brake track is still totally black.

I'll report when I have a couple of thousand KM on them.


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