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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:23 pm 
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If the adhesion is good then why re glue the spare. If the adhesion is not good (glue came of the rim when taking the tub off e.t.c) then obviously you re glue but you will know that when mounting the spare . I am not doing anything unsafe otherwise my tubs would move when riding and they don't. At present I am not riding on any spares as the spare recently punctured and came of for good. the new tub obvoiusly got new glue. For those that want to the extra work nothing wrong with that at all, I only do it if I feel I really have to i.e the bond is not good enough when mounting the spare.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:32 pm 
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tharmor wrote:
The plan is to go with the Veloflex Arenberg (25mm). I don't dare mention how often I puncture, lest I tempt the gods.

I am interested in hearing more about Tire Alert.
http://www.tirealert.com/tirealert/Contact.html
In the old days people sometimes tried to patch their wounded tubulars - and sew them up again. Some still do. They are a business that will do that for you at a good price.

I do know the SLC roads. I think you will be fine/pretty good. As I recall there are lots of stones, and debris often coming from the general dry area and snow removal. Tubulars are great for that. They handle stones and pot holes better than clinchers. I recall less glass and sharp metal/industrial scrap as you might find around other cities. Can't remember if you have lots of thorns on the road, like Goat head thorns - those kill tubulars. That's good if you don't have the sharp objects around for any tyres, but thick sidewall clinchers tend to hold up better than high TPI tubulars with glass and sharp metal.


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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 1:39 pm 
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I have been to Salt Lake City. Pretty good riding there. I would say that your roads are similar to our roads from the perspective of road conditions and debris (I don't remember a lot of broken glass on your roads - probably for obvious reasons). You have a fair number of roads with rough pavement, frost cracks and potholes, which is proper food for tubulars. I think you will be good with tubulars.

I have had very few flats on tubulars. You may be able to have a similar experience, given your home roads. If you do get a flat early in the life of a tubular, repairing them is a good idea. That is a much better idea than tossing it. You can fix it yourself, but doing so requires some experience and product. It is easier to send it to unprofessional who has the proper equipment and that experience.


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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 2:47 pm 
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As always, WW has really exceeded my expectations. Thanks again for the support.

@Geoff - the absense of class for obvious reasons comment was so subtle and yet so classic!

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Given that I am in the US (Utah more specifically), where is the best place to buy Veloflex tubulars? Some eBayer has the best price (as per usual), but not by much. I wouldn't mind supporting a LBS but Contender here doesn't stock them, and neither does Canyon Cyclery. Those are my go to shops in the area.

Again, I welcome any suggestions. Thanks for the help.

(Best price I've found is $101.19/each)


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 2:02 am 
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I would say that is a good price. In the US, WCC is very reliable: http://www.worldclasscycles.com/index.html


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 3:24 am 
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WCC is where you need to go. Great selection, great service (timely shipments, no errors), and good prices.

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:34 pm 
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For a few dollars, I think the wide variety of product and the availability of stock at WCC is worth the price.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 6:49 pm 
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Wishful thinking - but are there shops who go ahead and apply glue to the tubulars and store them in a dark/damp cellar so that they're all ready to rock n roll?

Just saying that would be money.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 7:59 pm 
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not glue, it would eventually dry out and go powdery

but if they were to remove the ****ing latex from the basetape, then leave them to ripen for a few years, that i'd pay for


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:19 pm 
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Hi,

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but if they were to remove the ****ing latex from the basetape, then leave them to ripen for a few years, that i'd pay for


What manufacturer is still coating the base tape with liquid latex?

How much would you pay (me) if I'd reveal a trick? :mrgreen:

Ciao, ;)

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:34 pm 
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Belgian tease.

And I thought that applying the actual glue, then letting it "cure" for a few weeks (preferably months) is the best possible way to get the most out of tubular tires. Am I misinformed?


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:46 pm 
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And I thought that applying the actual glue, then letting it "cure" for a few weeks (preferably months) is the best possible way to get the most out of tubular tires. Am I misinformed?


Yes. you are.
There's Belgian beer, Belgian fries and even Belgian cobble stones but there's no such thing as Belgian tease.

There could be Belgian humour too.... :mrgreen:

Ciao, ;)

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:32 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 7:20 pm 
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fdegrove wrote:
Hi,

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but if they were to remove the ****ing latex from the basetape, then leave them to ripen for a few years, that i'd pay for


What manufacturer is still coating the base tape with liquid latex?

How much would you pay (me) if I'd reveal a trick? :mrgreen:

Ciao, ;)


veloflex (i assume it's latex)

if you are in brussels a chimay next time i'm there?


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 3:57 pm 
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Hi,

Veloflex used to apply of coat of latex to the top tyres such as their Record and Servizio Corse but I don't see that any longer.
Back then the advise was to scrape it off.
I think that the more recent issue are no longer coated with latex but some kind of fungicide emulsion.
No idea what everyone else does but I just leave it as is.

The trick was to use Terokal 244 on the base tape instead of the regular rim cement. Since Terokal has higher adherence the rim cement didn't tear the latex layer off when the tub was removed.

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if you are in brussels a chimay next time i'm there?


I'll make sure I'll be there then. :lol:

Ciao, ;)

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