HOT: Active* forum members generally gain 5% discount at starbike.com store!
Weight Weenies
* FAQ    * Search    * Trending Topics
* Login   * Register
HOME Listings Blog NEW Articles FAQ Contact About




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 55 posts ] 
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:13 pm
Posts: 563
Location: Denmark. Yeeees
Would you guys choose the Archetype on CK R45 with CX Rays over at set over the new set of carbon clincher wheels from farsports?
http://www.farsports.cn/product/detail.php/id-142.html

_________________
Custom Rychtarski steel bike
Ridley X-ride 10
Custom Wittson Ti


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:59 am
Posts: 628
Location: Surrey UK
With these given details, probably the question you would have to answer yourself.
Eventually you can seek the help here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/90178027@N02/9042037808/ :wink:
These wheels are so different that it is hard to compare them. And giving anybody any recommendations without knowing details determining your wheels choice, is impossible.

_________________
Cervelo R5 VWD 5637g/12.43lb
Pronghorn XC SW Race 8284g/18.26lb


Top
 Profile  
 
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:15 pm 


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:57 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:49 am
Posts: 16
Simon: How are you stress relieving the spokes? CX-Rays make it easy to build with no wind-up, but as WMW said, stress relief is most definitely needed.

Bob


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:40 pm 
Offline
in the industry
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:59 pm
Posts: 758
Location: Ruidoso, NM
Simonhi wrote:
WMW wrote:
Realising now that you mean ( I think ) setting the spoke path (required more for head in spokes bending over the hub flange) I can't be sure that I did that, since the wheelset was built over six months ago and sat in a bag until a few weeks ago.

Is there a minimum spoke tension you would be worried about going below on the non-DS ???


Stress relieving is specifically taking spokes past yield so that the residual stresses (at the elbow especially) are relieved. Fatigue strength is greatly improved by this.

Improving the spoke path is another issue. I bend the spokes slightly at the J, cross, and above the threads. After several rounds of stress relieving everything is in the optimal state.

If you didn't do these steps it is likely that considerable bending and settling occurred after the build.

If the rim is fairly straight you should have no more than 5kg variance on the NDS. The max DS tension and the hub geometry determines the NDS tension. Usually it's >50kg.

_________________
formerly rruff...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:27 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:15 pm
Posts: 80
WMW wrote:
Simonhi wrote:
WMW wrote:
Realising now that you mean ( I think ) setting the spoke path (required more for head in spokes bending over the hub flange) I can't be sure that I did that, since the wheelset was built over six months ago and sat in a bag until a few weeks ago.

Is there a minimum spoke tension you would be worried about going below on the non-DS ???


Stress relieving is specifically taking spokes past yield so that the residual stresses (at the elbow especially) are relieved. Fatigue strength is greatly improved by this.

Improving the spoke path is another issue. I bend the spokes slightly at the J, cross, and above the threads. After several rounds of stress relieving everything is in the optimal state.

If you didn't do these steps it is likely that considerable bending and settling occurred after the build.

If the rim is fairly straight you should have no more than 5kg variance on the NDS. The max DS tension and the hub geometry determines the NDS tension. Usually it's >50kg.


Thanks for the infromation, a handy reminder when building again.

When I rebuilt at the weekend I noticed that the Non-DS spokes were not set towards the spoke holes meaning that I did not form them as I normally would do. I think that coupled with not maintaining even spoke tension throughout the build has most likley contributed to the wheel coming undone.

I will make sure I pre-stress the wheel also, really can't remeber whether this was done before or not, possible not as I (wrongly) assumed it was not required due to no spoke wind-up.

Thanks for all the information, all help for future builds I'm sure :thumbup:

_________________
Enigma Echo


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:07 pm
Posts: 1006
Location: Slovenia---that forest land
Mine build - i love it! weight of rims are around 480g - but at acceleration it feeling like they are lighter.

Image

Image

Image

on BARTIME ceramic hubs rear Powerflange for stiffer wheel

Image

Image

_________________
http://kavitec.blogspot.com/

click this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m8maAO-m-w


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:46 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:38 pm
Posts: 89
Location: France
Kavitator,

May I ask you, how much did you have to bend the spokes on the NDS with that rear hub when installing them. I can see how to install the NDS spokes that have heads in through the drive side window, but the spokes that are elbows in / heads out must be very hard to install. Any trick ?

Interesting rear hub... that's why I'm asking :wink: .

Thanks !


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:07 pm
Posts: 1006
Location: Slovenia---that forest land
Rear hub is from two parts and adjustable flange spacing for classic (10 speed) or 11 speed shimano

Image


Image

_________________
http://kavitec.blogspot.com/

click this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m8maAO-m-w


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:43 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 13, 2015 7:57 pm
Posts: 26
1415chris wrote:
Anodizing wears out pretty quick.
And that's how they look after just above 1000km:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/90178027@N ... otostream/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

Nice rims, they hold up very well. There was just one small correction after first few rides. Since than :D on my face.
I laced them to mig/mag 70/170 with cx-rays and alu nipples. I'm about 200lb/90kg.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1016755715 ... ag170CxRay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Hi Chris,

I just wondered how after a few years you got on with the tune hubs?

Thanks
Nick


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:26 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:59 am
Posts: 628
Location: Surrey UK
Nick,
They still speen nicely with no issues. But they haven't done a huge mileage, something like 12k km and did not see much rain. The only thing I did over this time, was cleaning and re-lubricating ratchet system. Having said that, it wasn't necessary.
For me these hubs are a perfect match for this build. Despite not too high max allowed tension of 100kgf, the wheels are stiff and sturdy. They have to carry rather heavy me and cope the roads with not always baby bottom like surface.
During the last trip I spent quite time riding very, I mean very bad roads. If I were in the position of picking components for the next build, I wouldn't hesitate to go for Tune's again.

_________________
Cervelo R5 VWD 5637g/12.43lb
Pronghorn XC SW Race 8284g/18.26lb


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 55 posts ] 
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

   Similar Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Tune archetype Cx ray

in For sale - Pictures are mandatory 22-3-13

caballero

0

349

Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:34 pm

caballero View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. archetype son or kinlin 279 ??

in Everything wheels

vandermaesen

13

705

Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:32 pm

bm0p700f View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. H Plus Son Archetype wear before replacement?

[ Go to page: 1, 2 ]

in Everything wheels

iamalex

25

1127

Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:20 pm

iamalex View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. DA C24 vs handbuilt archetype+dt240

in Everything wheels

eoolsen

4

1001

Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:09 pm

eoolsen View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. H Plus Son Archetype custom training wheels

in Everything wheels

Dman

13

981

Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:41 pm

petal666 View the latest post


It is currently Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:15 am

All times are UTC + 1 hour




Advertising   –  FAQ   –  Contact   –  Convert   –  About

© Weight Weenies 2000-2013
hosted by starbike.com


How to get rid of these ads? Just register!


Powered by phpBB