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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:46 pm 
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Let's say we had the opportunity to run a test.
We had Enve models, Zipp, Easton, Ax Lightness, Lightweight, Campa, Black inc wheels, Corima aso.
We did run all wheels in a blindtest, so we did not know rim depth or width, we did not know actual weight.
We did not know hubs or spokes.
We ran the wheels in swirl winds and all the things inbetween, sometimes near no wind at all.

What would we conclude?
What would be the wheels we favoured and why?
Would it be the lightest, or the most aerodynamic?
Would we miss weight and aero due to better roll of bearings?
What would we consider fun, comfortable or fast?

Let's say all wheels were tubular to make it easier and not mixing clincher and tubular.


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 7:01 pm 
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I choose the wheel that inflicts the most pain and suffering from fellow riders. My own little shadenfreude guilty pleasure.

In all seriousness we would probably choose the wheels that handle and feels the best if we could not quantify speed benefits. That would likely mean wide, light, shallow, aero wheels with smooth rolling hubs.


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 7:04 pm 
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"42 is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything. This Answer was first calculated by the supercomputer Deep Thought after seven and a half million years. This shocking answer resulted in the construction of an even larger supercomputer, named Earth, which was tasked with determining what the question was in the first place."

http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/42

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrases_fr ... g_.2842.29

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 7:05 pm 
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Without the snark, the real answer is it depends. 5 riders will come to 5 different conclusions if they aren't led on by other factors.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:12 pm 
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You can spend a lot of time thinking about what is best, or you can spend a lot of time training to be the best.

That said, I don't think there is one wheelset, that is best for everything. LW are best for climbing and crits.

For flat rides I would choose Enve or Zipp.


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:32 pm 
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All hub when on the road roll smooth. Power comsumption in a hub is an order of magnitude lower than rolling resisatance and 2 orders lower than total drag. Thats mean hub resistance is irrelevent.

Also you cant do blind tests and the conditions you ride each wheel in will effect your conclusion. The idea is flawed and you the op are over thinking Wheels. Just enjoy the ride.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:30 pm 
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That would be an interesting test if at all possible, but I hate riding blindfolded. I agree that you'd get a lot of different answers but if I was let go at the top of a pass with turns and gusts on the way down, I'm pretty sure I would be able to conclude without much trouble that my favorite wheelset to ride down was the 32 spoke Nemesis rims laced 3x to Campy Record (Or Shimano) hubs.
But for all other questions, 42 would indeed be the right answer.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 3:08 am 
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Would anyone of you say, it's positive with a more heavy rim compared to a more or less identical shaped, lighter version?


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 6:33 am 
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Heavier rim is only a better option, if it's more aero.

And again, that might not be true, if you're going uphill or doing crits with a lot of accelerations out of corners.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 8:09 am 
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Why would anything heavier feel better?

Riding "blind" I would probably prefer my 50/23mm Farsports wheels to my 24/23 ones since the taller rims sound much better - swishhhhh, swishhhhh, swishhhhh, swishhhhh :)

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:59 pm 
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I have asked some manufacturers this question, regarding weight of rims.
Some claim they don't have it (hm, sounds a bit weird to me), some say it is due to comfort, durability and aero properties.
Some say there rims are light even though other have very similar shaped rims which are lighter.
Some say wheels too light brake more easy and are more prone to delaminate.
I would guess it's mostly about costs, tolerances, fail rates (per batch), potential warranty issues.
Most concerns regarding rotating mass concerns rims, so hubs are not really that important (even though lighter has appeal)!

Talking blind test is just a figure of speech!
I ment, if we had no clue, what would be widely prefered.
I neither talk of any niche wheel like climber wheels, or flat terrain wheels. I mean wheels used for normal and changing environment, with hills, descends, flat etc etc and winds of all sorts.
We all know wind is what it is talking cycling....


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:02 pm 
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I loved riding my ambrosio nemesis wheel which are laced to shimano dura ace 7403 hubs this morning. They are heavy And that bike is not a really quick one but it also the bike that puts smiles on my face when i ride it.

If you enjoy the ride the the wheels you have are fine, if you didn't enjoy the ride the wheels are probably not at fault but often get blamed anyway.

i enjoy riding my aero carbon wheelset too in tonights race and i like riding all my other wheels which are all heavy by weight weenie standards. The one light wheel i have i dont use any more as i actually prefer all my heavier sets and i am no slower on them.

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