Bura,bura wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:56 pmI am ok with that 853guy.
We all know that Chinese carbon wheels are available for a price around 800-900USD with 240DT Swiss hubs.
What we don't know are competitive price comparisons for full carbon wheels from China.
We also know that we have to pay "a lot more" when buying a full carbon wheels from LW,Corima,Reynolds.Or somehow Equinox,too.
I also know that Deng-Fu and Hong-Fu are both companies ,who stand behind their products. Know about one warranty case with Deng-Fu.
And these guys have their testing methods and can't be compared with a random no name Chinese manufacturer on Alibaba.
For me, it’s real world data points accumulated over many years versus hearsay on a forum. Guys riding thousands and thousands of kilometres every year with dealer and manufacturer support and a robust warranty claim system is a tidal wave of real-world evidence against the drop in a bucket of guy X buying product Y online and writing about it on a forum. The latter just has very limited utility value to me.
I have nothing against the companies you mention - but I have very little “for” them either, except those individual data points.
I’ve asked that question a lot. And the answer is: We are.
We’re raising them. Because we demand more for less, quicker, and with greater choice. We expect to have higher and higher standards of living, while living off money we don’t have. We want to pay people less than their time is worth, while raping the Earth’s resources in a non-sustainable manner, and polluting it to record levels. We prefer to outsource our labour to countries whose human rights record is opaque to say the least, and ignore the fact that their working conditions will be sub par and their hours worked be excessive. We’ll then act smug, knowing we saved ourselves from getting ripped off, so we can consume more products by demanding everyone else pays a cost for our material gratification.
Again, individual data points have little utility value to me. I would never consider it my business to tell you who to buy from or why. But I would hope that regardless of whether a full carbon saddle is made in China, Europe or anywhere else, the people making it are paid a fair wage for their time, have working conditions that are humane, and the business practices of the company who hire them are ethical.
Be well, Bura.