Lionel, feel free to pm me if you want to get really detailed with that. Happy to help.

Stefan, I know you are lurking about just hoping I will leave this baby out somewhere for you to grab and swap components, especially the stem

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Thanks, I think your detailed answers in this thread pretty much covered it.

This bike is perfect..... Don't listen to these HATERS!

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Uh, I'm not sure where the "HATERS" comment is coming from. Guess I don't see that in any of the responses. Some different preferences expressed perhaps and that's ok and expected. But thanks for the "bike is perfect" comment. I agree and why wouldn't I... built it up exactly the way I wanted it. No compromises.

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Cal - its a stunning example of a well thought out build. Well done! I have the 3T Arx LTD stem on my C59. I think its one of those stems you either love or hate. Personally, I feel it works on my build with the LTD bars.

I hate all bikes, only my bike --> no hate


ahha ;)

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Any more info on these? Where'd you find them? I would absolutely sell my Edge 1.65s for these.

You know what a great bike is and how to build it! Congrats.

I just wanted to ask:

1. what's the hight from center front wheel to top of bar?
2. How long is the headtube exactly without any spacers?

I'm now riding a C40 (61) and really LOVE the ride. Not the stiffest front end but what a smooth and comfy ride it is: amazing. Living in Flanders and having my trainings a lot around the cobblestones, I do tell you, there is a BIG difference between other frames I have ridden.

PS. I have 94 inseam and I'm at 84cm BB-saddle along seattube. Riding a -17 stem with a small spacer. Saddle nose to center bar is 66cm.

Thanks

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Superb bike!

Would love to go riding with you so our bikes could meet
Besides the wheels and bar it is almost identical... Oke you where first

You are in a very "racy" position if I see the drop saddle / bar... no backpain on long runs?

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My Colnago C59 MTBK Camapgnolo Hyperon Ultra 2 and Campi SR11
http://rodebaron51.imgur.com/all/

BIG frames can look like garden gates !! But you absolutely nailed it with this my friend, the size is a non issue and thats as good as it gets. lightweight skewers are a must on any build so treat yourself !!

So sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I have changed the front end a bit from the pictures shown. I cut 8mm off the headtube, which got rid of the 8mm carbon spacer I had, leaving just the 3mm red alloy spacer abouve the tall top cover. I also changed the stem from the 120mm, -17 degree to a 130mm, -6 degree. After all that, it actually raised the bar so that the saddle to handlebar drop is 82mm and the distance from the front wheel center to the top of the bar is 618mm. The saddle height is 806mm.

The claimed headtube length is 195mm but that is the measurement without the headset cups are pressed in. With the headset cups pressed in (done at the factory) the effective headtube length is 201-202mm.
For what it's worth, I have a 91cm inseam.

Hope that helps. It's a great ride.

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Rodebaron51, the drop shown in the picture is 101mm I believe. I was trying it out. In the end it was just a tad too much for me. See above post for how I changed it. I'm now running with an 82mm saddle to handlebar drop and that is pretty much perfect for what I'm using the bike for. I'm doing a new build which will be slightly less drop again, but it will be just a little more "relaxed".
Over the years I've experimented with different setups, but I think I'm pretty much dialed in now for my liking. This is as low as I would ever go however. No back pain or more commonly (neck pain), on rides with the current setup. I see some bikes on this site with crazy aggressive positions. I think I'm probably middle of the road.

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That new setup makes more sense. Spacers with -17 does not make sense to me. Do you have a new pic?

Hey, as sad before; SUPER bike!

I am just wondering why I come to 7.2KG and you got a 6.8KG... Bikes are quite alike...

Your data;

Frame and Fork Assembly: SHOULD BE AMOST THE SAME AS MINE IS 62CM...
1126 C59 Frameset including pressed cups for headset bearings
4 BB cable guide and bolt
26 Seat post collar - Campagnolo (Colnago collar weighs same)
362 Fork after cutting approx 6cm length (uncut 384 grams)
32 Fork Insert
54 Headset Bearings
22 Headset Top Cover both short (12g) and tall (10g) combined
8 8mm carbon spacer and 3mm red anodized alloy spacer
1634

Wheels: IS THIS THE BIG DIFFERENCE? ZIPP 404FC CLINCHERS..... AT LEAST MY SKEWERS SAVES ME 79gr
1202 Campagnolo Bora Ultra Two - Rear
inlcudes Super Record 11/23 cassette/lockring and Continental Competiton 22 Tubular tire
64 Campagnolo Rear Skewer
1266

856 Campagnolo Bora Ultra Two - Front
inlcudes Continental Competiton 22 Tubular tire
58 Campagnolo Front Skewer
914


Groupset: Campagnolo Super Record 2011 EXACTLY THE SAME OR IS YOURS TI?
596 Crankset 53/39
44 Bottom Bracket Cups
72 Front Derailleur
158 Rear Derailleur
148 Rear Brake (Dual Pivot)
150 Front Brake (Dual Pivot)
334 Ergopower Shifters
236 Record Chain degreased less 2 links (244 - 8 grams)
246 Campagnolo Cables (uncut)
1984


Finishing Kit:
188 Saddle - Prologo Scratch Nack Pro SAME
184 Seatpost - 3T Dorco LTD (350mm) STANDARD COLNAGO....
180 Handlebars - 3T Rotundo LTD 42 c-c FSA PLASMA
64 Bartape - Fizik Microtex Softouch
132 Stem - 3T Arx Team 120mm, -17 degree FSA PLASMA
186 Pedals - Look Keo Carbon Ti Blades SAMW
62 Two waterbottle cages - Arundel Mandible Carbon Matte Black LIGHTER COLNAGO CAGES (48gr)
14 K- Edge chain catcher (18g - 4g for the bolt it replaces) HAVE NON
1010


SO IS IT ONLY THE WHEELS THAT MAKES 400gr?
Bora = 1310gr vs 404 = 1557gr explains 247gr... rest tubes vs clincher?
On the rest of all parts I see plusses and minusses... so call it even....

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My Colnago C59 MTBK Camapgnolo Hyperon Ultra 2 and Campi SR11
http://rodebaron51.imgur.com/all/

And yes, that's the Campy SRM crank.

Rodebaron51... yes in my initial build I had the Super Record Ti crank. That crank is going on a new build. I'll leave it to you to reconcile the other differences as I'm kind of tired right now. I think you're getting just a tad carried away with gram counting however. I know, a blasphemous statement on WW, but really, colnagos are nice bikes even if they may not be the lightest. The SRM on mine added some weight over the initial, but I like having it. I took the Look ti blade pedals off the initial build after only a couple of rides. I just think the Dura Ace pedals work better for me. So, as it is shown in the pic above, it probably weighs a little more than yours at this point, so you can rest easy now. I do love the Campy Bora Ultra Two wheels however. Wouldn't swap them for anything.

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