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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:06 pm 
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Recently purchased a new frame to build up over the winter.
Frame uses oria KK tubing looks stunnning in the light.

Looking for some suggestions on the build especially the group set which I am undecided on.

Can't decide too go for campagnolo Athena 11 / record 10 / record 11 or even record titanium 9 if I can find the parts.

For stem I am thinking of painting a quill stem red and having polished bars with white tape.
Also a red flite saddle would look cool.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:29 pm 
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Amazing frame!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:17 pm 
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Ok, that's nice. I still have my last Zullo from my racing days (Columbus-tubed). Mine is built-up with Campagnolo 'C' Record, which is an interesting Group and much underrated.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:00 pm 
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Geoff wrote:
Ok, that's nice. I still have my last Zullo from my racing days (Columbus-tubed). Mine is built-up with Campagnolo 'C' Record, which is an interesting Group and much underrated.


I do really like the c record crankset which looks stunning imo.
Also it would look nice with some shamal wheels.

How does the c record ride compared to modern mechanical groupsets?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:37 pm 
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I have a c record on my Colnago master with downtube shifters and delta brakes. Its performance is just great. Everything works perfect. IMHO better than a not perfectly tuned modern groupset.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:05 am 
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@JLS, there is no way to compare old Campagnolo with modern Campagnolo. There is no comparison.

I raced on Campagnolo Nuovo Record and Super Record for many years. In the late 80s, Campagnolo began to acknowledge that Shimano and Suntour were doing something different. The result was 'C' Record.

Now, 'C' Record, while it looks really modern, still retained the basic Campagnolo design. While it did incorporate dual sprung pivots, it was not a slant parallelogram design. The aero styling was just that: styling. In practise, there was not much different between 'C' Record and Super Record.

The most interesting thing about the Group, in my opinion, is the 'Delta' brake calipers. They were really beautiful. The problem was, they didn't stop too well. I have some Deltas and some Cobaltos, too. Nice product, but nothing like modern Record brakes, which are so good it is scary.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:04 am 
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Geoff wrote:
@JLS, there is no way to compare old Campagnolo with modern Campagnolo. There is no comparison.

I raced on Campagnolo Nuovo Record and Super Record for many years. In the late 80s, Campagnolo began to acknowledge that Shimano and Suntour were doing something different. The result was 'C' Record.

Now, 'C' Record, while it looks really modern, still retained the basic Campagnolo design. While it did incorporate dual sprung pivots, it was not a slant parallelogram design. The aero styling was just that: styling. In practise, there was not much different between 'C' Record and Super Record.

The most interesting thing about the Group, in my opinion, is the 'Delta' brake calipers. They were really beautiful. The problem was, they didn't stop too well. I have some Deltas and some Cobaltos, too. Nice product, but nothing like modern Record brakes, which are so good it is scary.



Hmm maybe it's best to try and source campy 9 speed titanium parts then as it's got more of a modern performance with classic styling which I like. Also having a brake which works is important to me even though I weigh 60kg I broke my hip a month ago due to bad brakes.

The 9 speed group set looks better than the new black carbon group sets imo.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:28 am 
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I would go with a Potenza silver groupset, not entirely Classic looking but a compromise...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:47 am 
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I have Record 10 speed crankset, chorus ITA bb and chorus headest in case you are interested.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:28 am 
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Which team was it made for? Any info?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:31 am 
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JLS - That Colnago is a stunning looking bike. Maybe not up to modern tech, but that groupset is the most beautiful groupset ever IMO. Piu bella


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:34 pm 
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micky wrote:
Which team was it made for? Any info?


No idea i dont think it was made for any particular team as the colour scheme is different to the team bikes that zullo sponsored.

It is a very lightweight tubeset so most likely made for amateur racers.

I am now contemplating sourcing super record 11 speed and going a bit modern.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:25 pm 
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Stem arrived bars incoming.

Shall I go with a red Chris king grip it headset or maybe black?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:40 pm 
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The stem does not look great IMHO :|
It is not that classy and the red does not match your frame's red.

Something like that would look much better:
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:50 pm 
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I would try and source some Athena silver 11 speed kit. It was stopped in 2015 but there's plenty about if you shop around and I think the crankset looks way better than the modern potenza 4 arm design. I've sourced the drivetrain myself earlier this year to get my old steel race bike back together and it has a similar amount of chrome plating to the Zullo. I tried a Campag carbon crankset on mine and didn't look right at all so silver would look perfect on this one. I also have delta brakes to go on mine and as for that old myth of them not stopping well, I really don't know where that comes from. For the era (25 years since they were last seen in pro ranks) they do a perfectly good job. They can't compare at all to the dual pivot of today but that can be said for all equipment a quarter of a century on. The main reason pros stopped using them and went back to the side pull version was due to the weight and they became obsolete when they introduced the first dual pivots. An all silver stem like the cinelli xa pictured would be a good fit. The frame is the star so subtle components would show it off at its best.


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