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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:36 am 
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frommy understanding, praxis works is the supplier of chainrings for thm complete cranks, so you wouldn't have to ditch the shifting.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:03 am 
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SilentG wrote:
frommy understanding, praxis works is the supplier of chainrings for thm complete cranks, so you wouldn't have to ditch the shifting.


Well, you learn something new every day. Reviews of the THM M3 have been generally positive, yes?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:28 am 
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kfreytag wrote:
SilentG wrote:
frommy understanding, praxis works is the supplier of chainrings for thm complete cranks, so you wouldn't have to ditch the shifting.


Well, you learn something new every day. Reviews of the THM M3 have been generally positive, yes?


From what I have read, yes. Good enough that I'm looking at picking up one myself.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:24 am 
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Correction regarding the potential weight savings on the THM M3 SRM versus the ROTOR 3D+ SRM:

Reading the fine print more finely, the THM is 665g with chainrings and "bottom bracket spindle" but not with the bottom bracket.

From the SRM site: http://www.srm.de/products/srm-powermeter/clavicula-m3/

My ROTOR 3D+ SRM comes in at a measured 688g with Praxis 50/34 rings. A best case scenario of -23g doesn't seem worth the price of admission.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:37 am 
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My EE brakes with pads weigh 202 grams. And are excellent. I would buy a pair for my other bike if i had the cash spare.

Re: light power meter - if it has to be an SRM - there are no light options. If you want a light powermeter. A set of hollowgram SISL2, with spidering and stages SI arm will save you about 150g. (Roughly 530g in compact)

My older SISL crank w SI stages arm and rotor q rings (very heavy) weighs 616g - and thats for a standard set up.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:37 pm 
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So, let me get this. People are raving about a >1kg steel frame with some hideous seat lug contraption I have never seen the likes of before. Lightweight components are surely out of place on a steel frame like this? I mean, no one has a steel frame if they want a very lightweight bike?

One of the most poorly conceived bike builds I have seen.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:55 pm 
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Valbrona wrote:
So, let me get this. People are raving about a >1kg steel frame with some hideous seat lug contraption I have never seen the likes of before. Lightweight components are surely out of place on a steel frame like this? I mean, no one has a steel frame if they want a very lightweight bike?

One of the most poorly conceived bike builds I have seen.

:roll: study Parlee a bit before posting.


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Some people...


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:21 pm 
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Valbrona wrote:
So, let me get this. People are raving about a >1kg steel frame with some hideous seat lug contraption I have never seen the likes of before. Lightweight components are surely out of place on a steel frame like this? I mean, no one has a steel frame if they want a very lightweight bike?

One of the most poorly conceived bike builds I have seen.

Definitely the most poorly conceived post I have ever seen. :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:52 pm 
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NiFTY wrote:
My EE brakes with pads weigh 202 grams. And are excellent. I would buy a pair for my other bike if i had the cash spare.

Seems the new ones are a claimed to be 168g per pair w/ pad holders, according to Fairwheel, but they also say that's no change from the previous version, which weighed heavier for me, too.

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Re: light power meter - if it has to be an SRM - there are no light options. If you want a light powermeter. A set of hollowgram SISL2, with spidering and stages SI arm will save you about 150g. (Roughly 530g in compact)

My older SISL crank w SI stages arm and rotor q rings (very heavy) weighs 616g - and thats for a standard set up.

Yeah, it's gotta be an SRM. :roll: It's perhaps the German in me, but I've got two of them already, and they just simply work. As with the color of the frame, I'll take the weight penalty.

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So, let me get this. People are raving about a >1kg steel frame with some hideous seat lug contraption I have never seen the likes of before

Steel is real!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:58 pm 
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Stunning bike, and an inspiration for me and my current Z-zero build! I've wimped out on the colour and gone for a waxed finish, but I'm looking to keep some of the same clean lines that you have achieved. In particular, what did you do to the control unit for the Di2? It's the one thing that annoys me about that gruppo, it always looks so messy under the stem!

I just realized that I never answered this question! Sorry about that.

Initially, I had a BarFly 2 to hold the Garmin, and I zip-tied the junction box to the bottom of that. It made it basically invisible when the Garmin was mounted (which is always when riding).

This last weekend, however, I swapped in Tilliquist's ENVE mount and zip-tied the junction box to the "rails" on that w/ really narrow black zip-ties. It's a bit of a tighter fit (you need really small zip ties), but it works, and it looks and feels much better with the Garmin dropped just a bit and no "ring around the barsies".

I took pictures, but I can't seem to find them at the moment. I'll post when I do. I think I dropped a grand total of 2g. :thumbup:

P.S. Have you finished your Z-Zero? Is there a thread on here? I wanna see it!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:15 pm 
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kfreytag wrote:
NiFTY wrote:
My EE brakes with pads weigh 202 grams. And are excellent. I would buy a pair for my other bike if i had the cash spare.

Seems the new ones are a claimed to be 168g per pair w/ pad holders, according to Fairwheel, but they also say that's no change from the previous version, which weighed heavier for me, too.


Recent (April '14), but still previous version. 173.6g with pad holders (but no pads).

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:00 pm 
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Hmm... I guess you're right. I went back to my old 1st gen blue anodized ee's:

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