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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:31 pm 
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Fantastic. A Z5 and a Colnago C59 are pretty much the only bikes in my list if I was to get a new frame right now. My questions to you is how is the shifting with with a salad combination of parts (Campy shifter and der, cables and housings, rings, cranks, etc)?? Nothing shifts smoother than an all Campy SR group, so how far from that perfection are you with all these part combos??


a c59 cant go lower than 5kg.. if you need a weenie bike.


I believe a Z5SL is lighter than a C59. I would go with a Parlee. I tested Colnagos before buying my Wilier Cento Uno SL and decided on the SL. Now that I have the Z3, I rarely ride the SL because the Z3 is just as stiff but smoother-the SL is my rain bike although it doesn't rain much in SoCal.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:49 pm 
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I would say that build list would weigh quite a bit more than 4.95kg but why anyone would want to pretend otherwise I can't think, so I guess it must. Amazing achievement. Well done.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:05 pm 
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It must be a really light Z3 because it isn't a really light set of components.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:41 am 
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gumgardner wrote:
It must be a really light Z3 because it isn't a really light set of components.


Much of the weight saving is in the wheelset (~880g)/tires (~240g for both tires) and the saddle/seatpost combo (under 120g)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:18 am 
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So how was the ride ? do you find it very hard to keep up with average speed on stright?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:41 am 
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A quick sum of the weights you've given with unknowns filled in from other places puts the frame weight at around 750gms. I was a bit generous with some of the unknowns so it probably works out to be even less than 750.

I don't think I've ever seen a z3sl at that weight. They are generally accepted to be around high-800's. I just can't believe that this is lighter than wshiong's z3sl considering their respective part lists.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:34 am 
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jsinclair wrote:
A quick sum of the weights you've given with unknowns filled in from other places puts the frame weight at around 750gms. I was a bit generous with some of the unknowns so it probably works out to be even less than 750.

I don't think I've ever seen a z3sl at that weight. They are generally accepted to be around high-800's. I just can't believe that this is lighter than wshiong's z3sl considering their respective part lists.


Not sure why people are hating a light weight build?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:38 am 
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jsinclair wrote:
A quick sum of the weights you've given with unknowns filled in from other places puts the frame weight at around 750gms. I was a bit generous with some of the unknowns so it probably works out to be even less than 750.

I don't think I've ever seen a z3sl at that weight. They are generally accepted to be around high-800's. I just can't believe that this is lighter than wshiong's z3sl considering their respective part lists.


mine frame is 54 TT and i have a more havier Lw ventoux and my conti 4000 tyre are super heavy, probally need to get some veloflex to cut out some weight.

I change out my ax lightness saddle to some heavy tune speedneedle for some ride quality. just cant sit on a full carbon saddle :oops:

At first i also cant believe the weight with all the parts that sholiday mention, may be his wheel setup makes the differents.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:42 am 
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My Z3 wshiong Z3 Wt dif
Frame: No Paint Clear coat finish -15 to 25g ???not sure exactly???
Fork: 1.0 No Paint 2.0 Clear coat -50 to 60g
Wheels Reynolds RZR Alchemy/Evne 45 -150 to 175g
Tires Tufo <125g Ultremo -225 to 275g depending on the tire width
Cassette Recon Alloy Campy ??? -75 to 100g depending on what size he is using
Saddle/Post Berk 119g combo Tune/MCFK -90g
Crankset Stork PowerArms SL THM M3 -30g
BB Ceramic THM Standard??? -10g not sure if he upgraded to ceramic or not
Pedals Speedplay Zero Ti Look ??? -20 to 50g depending on the model
Housing Nokon Carbon/Alloy Campy ??? -20 to 30g ???not sure exactly???
Cables PowerCordz Campy ??? -20 to 30g ???not sure exactly???
-705 to 970g my advantage

i think the above is not my setup :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:16 am 
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If you need a aerolite titanium pedals, i have one set used for sale. 73g for both.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:13 am 
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No one is hating on your build, they are just expressing doubt that it actually weighs what you say it does. More than one person has questioned it, which on a forum dedicated to light weight bikes would tend to suggest that something is indeed amiss.

wshiong i was comparing this bike to yours, not mine. Ill happily admit mine is nowhere near as light as these.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:36 am 
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Haha I can see plan as day where the big advantage is..

It's in the show tires... They weigh nothing... Ride like freeze dried crap and would puncher at the first sign of a shinny object...

If I put those tires on my heavy old z5 there wouldn't be much in it..
Wouldn't be any fun to ride though.

My loner moots compact ( hyperons, SR11, 6.4ks ) has a tufo jet on the front...
It's awful. The bike is so twitchy and nervous when you attack a corner hard it makes you back off.
And if you want any speed you have to pump it up to 110-120.. Which totally leaves you with numb fingers in an instant..

I told my mate it totally has to go. :noidea:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:22 pm 
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Just something to point out here, the park ds-1 don't give an accurate read unless they are in this case held in a work stand totally vertical, from the pictures provided you can see the ds-1 is on an angle, from my experience this gives a lighter reading, am not hating am just putting across a point from my experience using the ds-1's

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:14 pm 
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collegiateRacer wrote:
This is why having a professional fitter help design your CUSTOM bike is a good idea. No spacer but still good fit could have been possible.

You dont just buy a parlee from any old shop, all are trained to get the best fit for the customer, agreed some are MUCH better than others though :smartass:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:41 pm 
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timintense wrote:
Just something to point out here, the park ds-1 don't give an accurate read unless they are in this case held in a work stand totally vertical, from the pictures provided you can see the ds-1 is on an angle, from my experience this gives a lighter reading, am not hating am just putting across a point from my experience using the ds-1's


I re-weighed the bike per your suggestion and I did end up at 5.01kg. After switching out the crankset she is back down below the 5kg mark (4.97kg). I took out a chain link as well since i went with Compact.


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