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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:17 pm 
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I cant seem to find any info on these tyres, MTBreview has nowt.
I see a few of you guys use em whatdo you think.

Presently use Mich Comp S lites which are good traction reasonable weight etc but want something lighter. How about stans in them and how do they wear, ooh yeah how much?


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Great for dry use, not much tread on the tire for wet weather.

I run mine at 40psi and haven't had any issues with Stans as of yet.

A couple reviews here:

http://www.bikemagic.com/review/reviewp ... 6364128250

Or if you want more opinions can I suggest you go to MTBR.com and then into the discussions and then 'save some weight' and do a search within that forum.

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Light and very fast. Lowest rolling resistance according to the german magazines: Mountainbike and Bike ( a least by 3 bar, with 2,5 bar a Fast Fred is a little bit faster.)
Compeared to other tyres in it´s class, the Twister has a lot more bite because of the relative large edge "studs". Is that the right word?
Sadly, it wears very fast becauce of the soft rubber compound. For training i use the cheapest version, 550 gr.. It´s good training, you get used to the pattern and grip and you save your fast tyres for racing. :P

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I thought the Nokian NBX Lite had the lowest rolling resistance now?

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what about rocks etc, alot of my riding is thru mini rock "gardens" is the sidewall very light. i have used Kendas and you can see thru the sidewall, not good for my location


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I found the post from Nino...

for me the Contis are a thing of the past !

-first because the Nokian beats them in both rolling resistance and grip
-second because ,as we found out during the eurobike, newer contis are made in thailand and that's why we recently saw so many blown Contis when used with sealant.has something to do with bad quality...

anyway - the Nokian is absolutely awesome.it rolls superfast and grips
better than the Explorer. forget about the Twister since it's only advantage
is its low weight but it has so little meat everywhere that you puncture
them easily.the lack of grip is hindering you to go fast in every corner and
every dh-section so the small weight advantage is not going to make you any faster.the Nokian however is pretty light too but offers a level of grip
that allows you to let it go everywhere.I still have to find a weakness in
grip.so far it gripped on all kinds of terains.the only thing i didn't try
was deep mud.

no problems with sealing them either.the Explorer SS sometimes had very porous sidewalls that could cause some trouble.not so the Nokian which inflates real easy.

If i should ever go riding in rocky terrain i'd mount the 2.2 wide NBX which also got rave reviews about a year ago.

my Nokians (i got 8 pcs. total) weighed anywhere from 451-481g.most were 460g.they also ride more comfortably than the Contis.

and remember:
by riding them "tubeless" you save 9 WATTS in rolling resistance as showed that german test of the Eclipse system last month.

http://forums13.consumerreview.com/crfo ... .efc7766/6

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O.K but Nokians @ 460g are no lighter than my Mich Comps! Dont really worry about rolling resistance as much of my riding is switchbacks and stop and go stuff. Any other suggestions.

Thanks nikh :)


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how about the schwalbe fast fred? Light, available in two sizes and rolls very fast!

http://www.schwalbe.com/index.pl?bereic ... produkt=39

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If 450 gr is a ok weight for you, then theres a lot of good rubber out there.
Nikh is right about the quality of the conti, but I think, that the twister offers plenty of grip for XC racing, at least in Denmark when it´s dry.
The sidewalls is not that strong, and I wouldn´t use this tyre in very rockey areas.

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Frankie - B wrote:
how about the schwalbe fast fred? Light, available in two sizes and rolls very fast!

http://www.schwalbe.com/index.pl?bereic ... produkt=39


VERY FAST (ill promise you that) but it doesnt have any grip. I was wiping out so much, it wasn't fun at all.

But if youre racing and the course is really really hardpacked smooth use these.


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this past weekend i just did a 45K race with my new Schwalbe Fast Fred Lights 2.0 ...they are definitely fast and i was able to scoot up the long hill climb sections ...but compared to a twister, they have less grip (tread) although it is still good because the compound is quite soft ...for races only! ...they can get a little squirmish when the going gets fast on looser sections ...a bit scary but if you have the ability to react quickly, you should be ok...best thing was the almost instantaneous acceleration ...through the windy stuff where you are consistently scrubbing off speed you really notice how beneficial these tires are ...

i lost a full pound of rotational mass by putting on these tires! ...so you can imagine the crap i had before...


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eurorider wrote:
this past weekend i just did a 45K race with my new Schwalbe Fast Fred Lights 2.0 ...they are definitely fast and i was able to scoot up the long hill climb sections ...but compared to a twister, they have less grip (tread) although it is still good because the compound is quite soft ...for races only! ...they can get a little squirmish when the going gets fast on looser sections ...a bit scary but if you have the ability to react quickly, you should be ok...best thing was the almost instantaneous acceleration ...through the windy stuff where you are consistently scrubbing off speed you really notice how beneficial these tires are ...

i lost a full pound of rotational mass by putting on these tires! ...so you can imagine the crap i had before...


You rode the mansfield 40k race?


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I also prefer the Michelin Comp S Light and the Nokian NBX lite to the Conti Twister or Schwalbe Fast Fred. They have a lot more grip and don't turn into a semi-slick after two reaces. But you have approx. 250g more at your rotating mass.

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drew wrote:

You rode the mansfield 40k race?


yep i was there, ok so it was only like 41K ...still the longest race i've done (i'm a bit of a rookie to racing) ...some of those singlespeeders did surprisingly well ...i was up with the front runners for the first 1/3 of the race then i died (energy levels depleted) ...you can't burn roughly 2500 cal. when you only took in 450 cal. that morning ...


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I don't have any problems with the grip. Even on lose terrain. Try to run them at a little lower preassure.

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