pros cons to stans vs tubes
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I have been using Stan's no tubes for two years with no problems
It is faster and lighter my son!
It is faster and lighter my son!
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and doesn't get pinch flats, i know a kid that uses light tubes and he always gets flats, i've been using stans for a couple of months and doesn't get flats.
go with stans
go with stans
You are right to worry about that.
I had a Maxxis Flyweight with Stan's like stuff in it at 60 psi in my car that blew of the rim, while I was driving my car . The bead just stretched. I do not think the beads of superlight tires are up to the task. Maybe the Klimax Lites are stronger, but I would not bet on that!
However: Stan's or similar are far superior to ultralight tubes. At more or less equal weight, they offer less rolling resistance (or more grip at lower pressure) and puncture protection that is in another league than ultralight tubes. You can safely have a rideable pressure in them, without having to worry about flats.
For road riding, get a cheap set of spare wheels! (Or a road bike )
I had a Maxxis Flyweight with Stan's like stuff in it at 60 psi in my car that blew of the rim, while I was driving my car . The bead just stretched. I do not think the beads of superlight tires are up to the task. Maybe the Klimax Lites are stronger, but I would not bet on that!
However: Stan's or similar are far superior to ultralight tubes. At more or less equal weight, they offer less rolling resistance (or more grip at lower pressure) and puncture protection that is in another league than ultralight tubes. You can safely have a rideable pressure in them, without having to worry about flats.
For road riding, get a cheap set of spare wheels! (Or a road bike )
i think i will go with stans thanks for your help
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I recently switched to Stan's and after about 100 miles of mostly dry rocky terrain - and lot's of waiting during those rides while several others in my ride groups got thorn puncture and pinch flats while I got none - so far I'm convinced Stan's is the clear winner. However, from a weight as the only concern perspective I think tubes win - as I found Stan's to = about 170g total for rim strip + sealant 65ml + rim tape. Plus, as JK says many super light tires are not compatible with Stan's so you may need to ride a heavier tire with Stan's than you would with a tube. But, as has been previously posted, the benefits of Stan's [running lower tire pressure increases traction and makes for a smoother ride and using the Stan's - of course - greatly reduces the chance of getting a flat] seem to me to far "outweigh" - so to speak the - fairly slight - weight penalty. If you live in an area where there are thorns, which I don't, then Stan's is a no brainer + it'll probably end up lighter than the heavy tubes and/or Slime you need to use to avoid puncture flats. If you run more tire pressure than you otherwise would like to for the purpose of avoiding pinch flats - then again you want Stan's - Bombing through rocky sections with high tire pressure which I've done for years - especially when racing - stinks - and I've still had my share of flats. Regarding installation - Stan's installs fairly easily if you folow the directions but can be messy if you're not careful. What I think would be very helpful is a list somewhere of Stan's tire [and rim] compatibility/incompatibility – I know Stan’s has a list but its not particularly helpful as it basically says “most tires from these companies work with Stans and most tires from these companies don’t and most other tires do” - I don't find that to be particularly helpful - does anyone know of such a list? All I've tried so far are Continental Explorer's - Protection and Supersonic - both work well although it took a little while for me to get the Supersonic to fully seal. I tried a Maxxis Larsen TT Exception - 3 times - and couldn't get the bead to seal. I may experiment with putting a bit less sealant in the tires than the recommended 60ml to squeeze a few grams out. That's about all I can think of. Good luck
For me the reason not to use Stan's or similar is that I like changing tires a lot. In that case it is much easier and cheaper to use lightweight tubes.
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Stan worked very well for me last season. Never got a flat in 6 months of riding in rocks and rough singletracks. My tires are Continental explorer. Maybe i'll go to Supersonic version, hope it'll work as well as it did with the regular version.