Velovie Vetta 29er - 1180g?

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barrysvt
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by barrysvt

I am considering purchasing a Velovie Vetta 29er frame.
Now on sale for 500 USD at:
http://www.velovie.com/ProductDetails.a ... vettaframe

Velovie lists a 17" frame at 1180g.
Does anybody have any thoughts or insight on this frame?
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Jmdesignz2
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by Jmdesignz2

Right off, pf30 press fit bottom brackets are know to creak
Second, chain stays are a bit long at 445mm. Would look for 435mm
Third, why not titanium?
Friend of mine had carbon Specialized and were so nervous about the replacement cost they sold it and got aluminum. They race in NC rocky areas so frames get laid down hard on rocks and seems all the manufacturers say carbon must be Replaced after hard impacts.
Is there a carbon brand that's saying their carbon frames are ok to ride after bashing a rock?

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barrysvt
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by barrysvt

I am aware of PF30 problems. I am going to install a KCNC unit that has rubber 0-rings. If this proves to be creaky, I would replace that with an Enduro TorqueTite. (but the TorgueTite is heavy and costly)

I have broken steel frames and aluminum frames so I am not overly concerned about frame failure. I don't think modern carbon frames break anymore than other materials. VeloVie also has a crash replacement policy with a discount applied towards the purchase of a new frame.

I am ok with the chainstay length, in fact would prefer the more stable ride as I ride the smallest frame I can fit on.


I don't think you could find new Ti frame at near this weight for 500 bucks.
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Jmdesignz2
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by Jmdesignz2

Frame failure isn't what my friend was worried about it was the fact that there's a super high probability of bashing it on a rock in his riding area and subsequent expensive replacement needed. Whereas a metal frame can be easily visually inspected.

The long chainstays in my experience makes for poor climbing and poor handling in tight corners
Stability comes from longer front length, lower bb, ht.

The pf30 creaking issues are nothing I would want to imagine dealing with.
Lots of frustration everyone has voiced from friends who have had these

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LeDuke
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by LeDuke

I'd head over to MTBR and read the 8,000+ post Chinese Carbon frame thread in the 29er sub-forum.

That's what the VeloVie frame is; it just has a branded paint job.

Personally, I love my IP-057 from XMIplay. 69 degree HTA is just right.

barrysvt
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by barrysvt

right....but what chiner frame is the Velovie most similar to?
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barrysvt
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by barrysvt

watch Pinkbike and SantaCruz crew smash test carbon vs. alum.!
https://youtu.be/xreZdUBqpJs
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Jmdesignz2
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by Jmdesignz2

barrysvt wrote:watch Pinkbike and SantaCruz crew smash test carbon vs. alum.!
https://youtu.be/xreZdUBqpJs


Most of that video shows difference in fatigue and overall structure toughness.
What my friends and I are more concerned about is rock impacts and how carbon can and often will have unseen damage that's going to fail catastrophically later. Like a ticking time bomb.

Whereas alu or titanium you can very easily assess impacts by eye.

Imho that last segment is pretty meaningless unless you can get santa cruz to state publicly that it is ok to ride a Frame after bashing repeatedly with or it into a rocks?

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by Marin

I've been riding a full carbon Stumpjumper trail bike for the last few years, and believe me this thing gets ridden hard:

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I didn't asplode on me yet.

This thing neither (yes, full carbon):

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The Vetta frame looks good. At that price, you won't save anything going to an open mold frame. Main deciding factor is whether you like the design.

Oh, and chainstay length is overrated. Did you notice how marketers now praise longer chainstays because they are forced to do them with 135mm disc rear ends for Gravel/CX/Road? "The 15mm longer stays improve straight line stability while the tuned head angle provides decisive cornering precision blah blah blah".

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by Marin

Also, the Santa Cruz video.
I have a steel bike too, but for nostalgic reasons. Carbon is far superior in every way.

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by barrysvt

Just received and weighed my new VeloVie Vetta 29er 17" frame.
Super nice gloss paint logos and panels contrasting to matte carbon.
It weighed in at 1162g.
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Jmdesignz2
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by Jmdesignz2

hmm have not heard of that.
However- we are talking about XC Mountain bikes and I have not noticed praise for long chainstays on Mountain Bikes.
Bringing up an entirely different category of bike is not a logical argument.

Also - would you let me smack your Stumpjumper with this sharp 10 lb rock? ;)
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Marin wrote:I've been riding a full carbon Stumpjumper trail bike for the last few years, and believe me this thing gets ridden hard:

Image

I didn't asplode on me yet.

This thing neither (yes, full carbon):

Image


The Vetta frame looks good. At that price, you won't save anything going to an open mold frame. Main deciding factor is whether you like the design.

Oh, and chainstay length is overrated. Did you notice how marketers now praise longer chainstays because they are forced to do them with 135mm disc rear ends for Gravel/CX/Road? "The 15mm longer stays improve straight line stability while the tuned head angle provides decisive cornering precision blah blah blah".

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by Getter

barrysvt wrote:Just received and weighed my new VeloVie Vetta 29er 17" frame.
Super nice gloss paint logos and panels contrasting to matte carbon.
It weighed in at 1162g.


Very nice man. Pics of the build? :beerchug:

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by barrysvt

I'm have trouble uploading pics..........error message says file too large, but the files are within the size limit.
Any tips or tricks here?
1956 Rudge Sport
1994 Carbonframes Tetra Pro
(re-branded to Calfee 2006)
2010 Trek Top Fuel
2015 Velovie Vetta
2020 OPEN WI.DE.

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